Who do you Truss more?

www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-dawn-butler-gets-wrong-about-stonewall

Debbie Hayton has something to say about the debacle
Why anyone would need to hand over good money to show that they treat their staff with dignity and respect is a mystery to me. The law in the UK is clear: sexual orientation and gender reassignment are protected characteristics and it is unlawful to treat people less favourably as a result. This is not rocket science. For example, The Spectator has never coughed up to Stonewall yet it happily engages with gay, Lesbian and trans writers.

i don't think Labour are capable of change.

I think you are correct. More worrying is that they think the rise of right wing populism means they have to double down. There is no awareness that by alienating (and insulting) the very people who would ordinarily vote for them they are recruiting for the right wing populists, this is very bad news for most of us. In the short term we may win the fight for single sex spaces but the damage that is being done to democracy means that the future of equality legislation is less certain for all of us. I'm so angry with the labour party for enabling this.

Well under an hour left and it's still 30%/70% - nearly 90k votes cast.

Dawn has retweeted JMs attack on LGB alliance. A straight white man's attempt to get charity status withdrawn from an organisation set up by lesbians to represent LGB.

I was amused last night, today the realisation hit me, i don't think Labour are capable of change.

I do like this one!
twitter.com/EdwinWine1/status/1399740909982470151

I wouldn't trust Trump to tell me the time of day without double checking to see if he was telling the truth. I'd still trust him more than Stonewall.

The delusional belief that"most people are in favour of 'trans rights' "( when they actually realise the full implications of what this implies) and that the dissenting voices are few in number, or simply 'sock puppet' accounts......is a hard nut to crack. It seems to be founded in fairly closed and carefully curated social media worlds, in which everyone agrees with you, or 'likes' your profile.It has nothing to do with open and honest debate, or with canvassing public opinion.

I am you, and you are me.

Which of you am I again, I forget?

You are all of us of course. Pretty much the full hosiery department here.

That tiny handful of t**fs are really working overtime with their sock accounts aren't they. Don't know how I manage it what with also working and looking after kids and occasionally popping into MN on my coffee break. Which of you am I again, I forget? Someone told me on twitter once, I was most flattered.

And that there is their downfall. It is less about the individual policies but the utter contempt they show anyone who dares to disagree.

Looks like the usual “transphobe” and the new “anti-Semite” accusations are losing traction too.

Some amazing comments. This response was one of my favourites...

Dawn Butler MP✊🏾💙
@DawnButlerBrent
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18h
Who do you trust more?
Stonewall
30.1%
Liz Truss
69.9%
80,196 votes
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5 hours left

US East Coast mostly asleep at the moment and only just waking up at 1pm, when it closes. US West Coast - night owls will still be awake for a little while (8 hours behind us). I'd have thought if US voters were going to pile in to skew the results it would mostly have happened by now. Instructive.

There are lots of us on here and beyond who are waiting for Labour to start becoming a woman friendly party again, so that we can go back to our political home. However, if Labour is now going for dense MP's, I'm not sure I'm going to be in that much of a rush

Unfortunately she’ll probably spin it as some nasty TERF gamed her poll.

I’m not sure this will encourage any self reflection.

Revolution devouring its own children init - poor deluded Dawn, not only us but now the TRA's

Current tally with 6 hours to go

I think Dawn will dismiss it as being hijacked by the right wing. She can't countenance that there are very many reasonable people who disagree with her on this issue. If she did she wouldn't have done the poll in the first place.

I do hope there are some reasonable people in Labour who are looking at the comments and doing some grown up thinking.

Almost 80k votes and still an overwhelming majority saying Liz Truss.

If this is not prompting some anxious telephone calls and a front page media splash then nothing will.

I don't suppose there's any chance she'll learn something from that poll result.

Or from the fact that the TRAs are calling her "phenomenally dense" and "deliberately inflammatory" for her attempt to support them.

Will the truth dawn on Dawn?

Will it feck.

What is she pretending she's trying to prove?

Is it possible that she just hasn't noticed how the votes are falling, and is only looking at total votes cast? Difficult to believe, but it's amazing how people just fail to see what they aren't looking for...