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Liz Truss urges official withdrawal from Stonewall diversity scheme

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BattyOrange · 31/05/2021 02:52

Sorry, I don't have a share token but www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-urges-official-withdrawal-from-stonewall-diversity-scheme-9df7pvsrn

Basically, Liz Truss "is pushing for all government departments to withdraw from Stonewall’s employment scheme following a row over transgender rights." because "she shared the concerns raised by the EHRC over the scheme’s value for money, particularly as the civil service has its own in-house workplace diversity programme."

Whether or not the reasons stated are true (I have my doubts) this is a good thing!

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TheABC · 31/05/2021 08:41

Agreed - we need to keep a firm eye on schools as that's Stonewall's stated target.

It's so sad; a lifetime ago, I would have been happy knowing that gay/bi/lesbian teenagers were being supported to be themselves. Now, I am worried about an ideology that proclaims them trans if they don't gender conform - from a charity built to embrace nonconformity! That's before you even get to the single sex safeguarding problems.

It's bonkers.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 31/05/2021 08:41

Don’t celebrate too soon. Every time I we have stepped forward there has been another rearguard action. We have seen it with the recent shift to using anti-Semitic as an argument.

We have to keep writing those letters and never let up. It’s dystopian that we have to use our time, money and energy to keep the protections we already have, rather than in trying to go forward on all the issues that are still not solved. But we do.

All of this has turned me from someone who was a great LGBT supporter with trans friends to someone I never thought I would be. And it has damaged so many of our institutions and many I fear beyond repair. I am thinking of the BBC as an example. All trust and pride I had in them is long gone.

OhHolyJesus · 31/05/2021 08:32

Can Stonewall still co-lead the U.K. LGBT conference with Kaleidoscope and Argentina?

I can't see how that could possibly work now. Hope they lose that gig too. It should go to the LGB Alliance but it's a pretty big ask.

NeedNewKnees · 31/05/2021 08:27

This is fantastic news!

Thecatonthemat · 31/05/2021 08:27

Good news. Now for the repeal of the GRA perhaps..

FlyPassed · 31/05/2021 08:25

Thank you Smile @MiladyBerserko

Datun · 31/05/2021 08:25

There should be a public inquiry into how Stonewall was able to infiltrate these public bodies and many others so easily, and use them in a way that resulted in real detriments to women, girls and to free speech

Agreed. And now the spotlight needs turning on schools.

endofthelinefinally · 31/05/2021 08:22

@ArabellaScott

Penny Mordaunt's brother was engaged to a certain TWAW spouting David Paisley

Shock

That explains a lot.
ArabellaScott · 31/05/2021 08:21

Penny Mordaunt's brother was engaged to a certain TWAW spouting David Paisley

Shock
endofthelinefinally · 31/05/2021 08:20

There needs to be a very public inquiry. If this just fades quietly away, the same thing could happen again.

JoodyBlue · 31/05/2021 08:20

Any JKR fans seeing parallels with the fall of The Ministry of Magic and preceding horrors in the Harry Potter books? Weirdly prophetic Smile

PronounssheRa · 31/05/2021 08:19

Penny Mordaunt's brother was engaged to a certain TWAW spouting David Paisley

Also Shock

Value for money is a polite way of saying stonewall advice isn't sound and could lead to us breaking the law, so why the hell are we paying for this.

On police forces, if the home office withdraw from the scheme, this should trickle down to individual police forces.

FlyPassed · 31/05/2021 08:17

Does anyone have a sharetoken please? The one upthread only gives me the opening paragraph

FindTheTruth · 31/05/2021 08:15

Another comment I agree with

JosephineMarch

1 HOUR AGO

"And Gendered Intelligence. And in fact any of the money making Programmes for schools that teach a belief in gender identity to even small children, as if it were a fact"

ArabellaScott · 31/05/2021 08:15

There should be a public inquiry into how Stonewall was able to infiltrate these public bodies and many others so easily, and use them in a way that resulted in real detriments to women, girls and to free speech

Agree.

We need an enquiry, and orgs will need retraining to clarify instances where they've misrepresented the law. Hoping that there is someone who can advise on diversity and the EA, etc, who is inclusive of women? If not, someone write a training pack, stat.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/05/2021 08:14

@MiladyBerserko

Excellent news.

Now, more of the same for the groups in Scotland, including LGBT Youth Scotland, Scottish Trans Alliance (and the other one that pretends is a different organisation and receives double funding from the Scottish government). They all meet up and collude with each other in their official submissions to government, obtaining money from schools and businesses to teach them rightthink and behaving like a protection racket.

Public Inquiry needed, and it will need to be announced by the Tories as Nicola Sturgeon sure as hell won't.

It's a dangerous time for Scotland right now, as the SNP might well push gender Self ID through quickly to prove they are not like the nasty meanies in Westminster.

I hope so. Hopefully government / public orgs will wake up and realise that paying lobby groups to lobby you is kind of an odd thing to do...
StealthPolarBear · 31/05/2021 08:13

Brilliant

PatsArrow · 31/05/2021 08:10

Agreed endofthelinefinally. This has been an all-out huge assault on Women's rights. Our house has been burning. It's a war. If and when Stonewall finally fall and we begin to see the beginning of the end of this, most people will be unaware that anything happened at all.

WheeshtYerMansplaining · 31/05/2021 08:08

@PandorasMailbox

Lots of good comments under the article. People really have had enough.

Debbie Sweeting
38 MINUTES AGO

Stonewall is a lobby group that campaigns to: remove single-sex spaces and resources from Equality Act 2010; promote self-ID with no safeguards; remove the spousal exit clause from GRA04; remove the rape by deception offence; and to redefine same-sex attraction as same-gender attraction, all while promoting a culture of silencing women who disagree with these stances. And they are paid hundreds of thousands of pounds by organisations whilst promulgating these ideas. How they have become so entrenched in our official bodies whilst actively undermining legal protections for women and LGB people and facilitating the notion that conformity to sexist stereotypes is in any way “progressive” is beyond me.

That's a great comment.

As is,

There should be a public inquiry into how Stonewall was able to infiltrate these public bodies and many others so easily, and use them in a way that resulted in real detriments to women, girls and to free speech

endofthelinefinally · 31/05/2021 08:04

I have friends and family who steadfastly refuse to believe any of this has been happening. They don't want to know and maintain they are too busy, or it doesn't affect them.
They will never know how hard other women have fought for them and how many sacrifices have been made.

PatsArrow · 31/05/2021 08:02

@FindTheTruth

I think this all started with women on here FWR, from Grassroots women's rights groups that started with posters finding out about injustices on FWR here, to thousands of determined women taking action publicly or behind the scenes.

I would agree with this too.

I came onto the Feminism board a few years ago to see what all this was about. To be honest it confused the hell out of me and I thought it was a bit tin-foil-hat.
However I came back here about 2 years ago and really started reading and reading. FWR has been a constant source of knowledge, grassroots campaigning and intelligent discussion.

Nonmaquillee · 31/05/2021 08:01

Absolutely brilliant news. Go Liz!!

MiladyBerserko · 31/05/2021 08:01

Excellent news.

Now, more of the same for the groups in Scotland, including LGBT Youth Scotland, Scottish Trans Alliance (and the other one that pretends is a different organisation and receives double funding from the Scottish government). They all meet up and collude with each other in their official submissions to government, obtaining money from schools and businesses to teach them rightthink and behaving like a protection racket.

Public Inquiry needed, and it will need to be announced by the Tories as Nicola Sturgeon sure as hell won't.

It's a dangerous time for Scotland right now, as the SNP might well push gender Self ID through quickly to prove they are not like the nasty meanies in Westminster.

FindTheTruth · 31/05/2021 07:59

Penny Mordaunt's brother was engaged to a certain TWAW spouting David Paisley

Shock
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