Liz Truss urges official withdrawal from Stonewall diversity scheme

Reading the comments section makes me feel like those of us who knew we were on the right side of history now feel able to be open about it. I'm putting much more in my own name on Twitter and Facebook now than I ever felt brave enough to do so before. I know they won't go down without a fight but there are more of us than there are of them.

This is has never been about removing the rights of trans people but all about protecting the rights of women and safeguarding children and vulnerable adults.

Women on FWR have been furious and made this happen. And Lesbians on FWR have been raging about Stonefall for years; like this classic from 5 years ago

SW diversity champions scheme is now worthless. Worse, it’s now officially a liability.

Don't underestimate them. They still have huge influence over thousands of orgs.

Think how much SW and a couple of other NGOs achieved between 2004 and 2014 before the push back gained traction. Keep in mind what they are selling is batshit, but they got most of the establishment to buy it.

I think we are nearly, but not quite, at high tide. There will be push back yet but the fact that uncertainty has crept in is great.

The question in Scotland is whether the elected dictatorship there push this through before the tide really starts to run. If they do it quick they can point to the 'Westminster' (aka English) meanies but find themselves in a mess as the waters receed and the wrecks are exposed.

I think this all started with women on here FWR, from Grassroots women's rights groups that started with posters finding out about injustices on FWR here, to thousands of determined women taking action publicly or behind the scenes.

Yep, it did. RadFems had been sounding the alarm for a long time but it was the wonderful antics of Man Friday that really got media attention.

I'm in awe of the women who have worked tirelessly on so many different fronts. I'm amazed we got this far- though there is so much further to go.

No your one doesn't work for me either, Milady. Thanks for posting it though. I just get a couple of paragraphs and then an offer to the free trial.

The enormity of this is starting to hit me.

If we see this topple in real time in coming weeks and months, for one, women's job are safer. Just this week my friend lost her job of 10 years because she has been talking about surgeons operating on children and she was doxxed. That is down to the cancel culture SW created. The #NoDebate campaign they started where anyone who speaks against gender ideology is a heretic, a bigot, now a Nazi.

SW diversity champions scheme is now worthless. Worse, it’s now officially a liability.

I realise this is just the beginning and we must keep going but, what happened to my friend shouldn't have happened and it will unlikely not happen again if we SW can be cancelled.

[quote CaveMum]MP Liam Fox has tweeted his support for Liz Truss
twitter.com/liamfox/status/1399274922472521737?s=21[/quote]
I assumed this wouldn't have been a unilateral decision from Liz Truss alone but that several MPs and members of the HoL are aware of the situation and have raised concerns.

I wonder if Liam Fox will be the first of many giving their support?

I posted one earlier. Let me know if it doesn't work.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a49372ae-c16b-11eb-a26e-4c086490cfe1?shareToken

This is good news but I agree with other posters there has to be a Public Enquiry as to why tax payers money was being given to a political lobbying group, a group that misrepresents the law, a group that has insidiously influenced government.

I bet Crispin Blunt is choking on his cornflakes this morning, I am sure he will unleash more attacks on Liz Truss later today.

‘I think this all started with women on here FWR, from Grassroots women's rights groups that started with posters finding out about injustices on FWR here, to thousands of determined women taking action publicly or behind the scenes.’

Absolutely.

JoodyBlue

Any JKR fans seeing parallels with the fall of The Ministry of Magic and preceding horrors in the Harry Potter books? Weirdly prophetic smile

I've seen parallels all the time between HP books and what's happened to JKR / women. The posters in HP books 'undesirable No. 1' parallel tweets by TRAs - e.g. David Paisley, Michael Cashman, Crispin Blunt. The unforgivable curses parallel what's been done to children. The impreious curse is teaching non conforming children 'born in the wrong body'. The cruciatus curse is the agony of cross sex hormones; vaginal atrophy, depression, masectomies. The Killing curse parallels many things....

Agree Joody prophetic.

On police forces, if the home office withdraw from the scheme, this should trickle down to individual police forces

Good

MP Liam Fox has tweeted his support for Liz Truss
twitter.com/liamfox/status/1399274922472521737?s=21

Can you imagine the outcry if the NHS and civil service decided to become corporate members of the labour party?

Not just Stonewall, but any organised group that appears to be planning a takeover of women's / human rights.

It goes wider than those issues. This is about a political organisation infiltrating what is meant to be an impartial public sector and influencing decision making undermining parliament and democracy.

Stonewall trending on Twitter.

and we really need to be examining how Stonewall membership has influenced govt departments

Yes, there are definitely lessons to be learnt here for the future. Not just Stonewall, but any organised group that appears to be planning a takeover of women's / human rights.

That's absolutely fantastic news.

Wowsers! That's huge.

I must admit though my second thought was "oh crap the SNP/scotgov will be pushing self ID harder than ever"

Thank you for the share token.

My guess is civil service. Stonewall didn't charge in through the front door of Westminster one morning, and unlikely Tory allies throw their arms around them like the prodigal son, giving them the fatted calf and the family jewels. I am guessing they snuck in through the back door a long time ago, ushered in via the civil service. And whilst a load of young, ambitious, principle free ministers were busy dealing with the big ticket items that would make their future book deals and lecture circuit gigs much more attractive, the "Yes Minister" movers and shakers in the background were helping Stonewall to quietly ransack the place. The glut of new and vocal young MPs coming into Parliament over the last 10 years would not have known anything different. The old guard either don't care (Tories) or feel too frightened of appearing out of touch/not down with the youth (Labour, Libs) or are simply too kind to question it.

It's the perfect shit storm. A complete failing of the political system on the one hand - where are the critical thinkers? Or just those who can apply common sense? Although again, "common sense" is just a bit fuddy duddy, sounds like something your (fucking awesome and totally wise) grandma would say; coupled with MPs acting out of kindness and social liberalism, applied again without thinking, thinking about why social boundaries are in place in the first place; coupled finally with a rotten and nefarious element in government that could see exactly what it was doing and why. MN moderation policy doesn't permit me to articulate what I think about them any further.

Agreed, @TheABC. The term 'LGBT' used to be a (supposedly) convenient shorthand loosely meaning those who don't conform to hetero-normativity. It wasn't supposed to be a set of bloody instructions, 'LGB? Then you = T!'

I think the term has had its day, given it's been manipulated and subverted by Stonewall to the detriment of women and girls.

And Stonewall, I also agree, now needs tackling on its homophobic reach into schools.

It's great news. Yes, the more this is publicised, the more schools will listen. Hopefully ofsted too, as what ever ofsted want schools do immediately.

What an excellent article and the comments are great too.