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Organisations Leaving Stonewall: The List

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Barracker · 29/05/2021 19:50

Thought it would be handy to keep a running list here of organisations who have done 'budget reviews' or similar and have subsequently decided that Stonewall are 'not value for money'.

EHRC
ACAS
House of Commons
DVLA
Dorset Police
The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government

Do feel free to update the thread as more join the exodus.

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Tesla73 · 24/06/2021 13:03

The BFI are still paid up members:

*The BFI are enrolled as Stonewall Diversity Champion. In the last two years the BFI has not received any feedback outside the confirmation of their membership and standardised membership correspondence.

The BFI continues to be Stonewall Diversity Champions however they have not recently enrolled in any Stonewall Scheme and pay their membership on an annual basis that the BFI review.*

Tesla73 · 23/06/2021 09:03

[quote ItsAllGoingToBeFine]CIPD apparently haven't been members since 2019, yet they were still on Stonewalls list of members...
twitter.com/CIPD/status/1407253938915745798?s=19[/quote]
Surely the fact that many organisations are not members yet are still listed is something that needs looking into?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/06/2021 13:44

CIPD apparently haven't been members since 2019, yet they were still on Stonewalls list of members...
twitter.com/CIPD/status/1407253938915745798?s=19

highame · 21/06/2021 14:18

That list is thoroughly depressing. I wonder if government and local government departments will ever leave.

Manderleyagain · 21/06/2021 14:09

Just thought I'd add a link to the sex matters list. A couple of organisations who have been mentioned here as no longer in the scheme haven't been crossed off yet.

sex-matters.org/stonewall-champions-list/

Tesla73 · 21/06/2021 13:37

Looks like Holland & Barrett are out too:

*Thanks for getting in touch.

We currently do not work with any of the organisations you have outlined.

If you did want to find information of who we do work with, information should be available via our Corporate Website.
Thanks,

Mark
H&B Team*

i'd also asked them if they have anything to do with Mermaids or Gendered Intelligence as well which they dont

Paralithic · 20/06/2021 21:51

I always think of Lynda Snell when I hear Mrs Goggins.

I think Lynda would give SW a good kicking.

SpindleWhorl · 20/06/2021 18:24

My Council isn't on the list but I've just googled 'Stonewall + 'Greendale* City Council' and it's a full-on hi ho silver award champion apparently!

*I am Mrs Goggins's evil twin

StellaAndCrow · 20/06/2021 17:49

Is there still a way to check the list? I'm sure the organisation I work for wasn't on the list when I checked about 3 months ago, but they've just put a Gender policy out for consultation, and this mentions that they're a Stonewall Champion and that the policy is informed by Stonewall. And it's their first ever gender identity policy, so I'm wondering if they've just joined.

SpindleWhorl · 20/06/2021 16:25

Thanks, I caught the Debbie Hayton piece. In this segment, the interviewer Andrew Doyle seemed very clued up and switched on.

Then it cut to Peter Tatchell and it changed - Doyle seemed more deferential almost.

But maybe that's my frustration at no-one ever digging down into Tatchell's letter writing history, mistakes, weird shit, and enduring influence.

DansMaPoche · 20/06/2021 15:34

They are repeating the Stonewall in Crisis discussion on GB news right now and the Debbie Hayton interview is happening now, Peter Tatchell interview to follow for anyone who missed it.

orangejuicer · 20/06/2021 12:59

[quote orangejuicer]Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere.

Cardiff Uni academics sign open letter to VC asking for a review of Stonewall affiliation.

twitter.com/prossertj/status/1405453727662841859?s=20[/quote]
And a counter letter -

twitter.com/JoshDChemistry/status/1406575844785594371?s=20

What a mess.

DansMaPoche · 19/06/2021 21:52

Paralithic just googled and yes, that is her.

AmIPeriOrAreYouJustAnnoying · 19/06/2021 19:46

*Looking more into jobs advertised for Stonewall on CharityJob.co.uk the pay is very good for a charity: part time mentoring project officer 21 hrs a week almost £29k a year

In contrast Marie Curie have role of Research, Policy & Public Affairs Assistant which is full time (35 hrs per week) in London for up to £19, 632 pa*

@Tesla73 An Assistant role is an entry level role & a pay grade below an Officer in the Charity sector. You are not comparing like with like.

Paralithic · 19/06/2021 18:40

Wasn’t that Debbie Hayton?

DansMaPoche · 19/06/2021 18:01

SpindleWhorl if you can try to watch the first bit, the interview with the trans woman it's well worth it. She's a gender critical trans woman who accepts that she is biologically a man and that women are adult human females. She says 'just because I feel happier presenting as a woman doesn't mean I am one. She also said she thinks women deserve protection in women only spaces. Didn't catch her name, not sure whether she's well known or not but I really enjoyed listening to her perspective.

SpindleWhorl · 19/06/2021 17:12

Not seen such a hagiographic interview for a while.

SpindleWhorl · 19/06/2021 16:56

Thanks for the heads up - just turned it over.

DansMaPoche · 19/06/2021 16:34

Anyone watching the discussion called Crisis in Stonewall and the trans rights debate right now on GB News? Really good. I think they are going to interview Peter Tatchell soon.

The programme is called Free Speech Nation. If you miss it maybe you can get it on catch up or youtube. Some of their interviews and shows are being replayed on youtube. It started at 4pm

orangejuicer · 19/06/2021 16:29

Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere.

Cardiff Uni academics sign open letter to VC asking for a review of Stonewall affiliation.

twitter.com/prossertj/status/1405453727662841859?s=20

Tesla73 · 18/06/2021 15:56

Looking more into jobs advertised for Stonewall on CharityJob.co.uk the pay is very good for a charity: part time mentoring project officer 21 hrs a week almost £29k a year

In contrast Marie Curie have role of Research, Policy & Public Affairs Assistant which is full time (35 hrs per week) in London for up to £19, 632 pa

Tesla73 · 18/06/2021 15:42

found this to be interesting seeing as its Pride month and most organisations love to list their celeb supporters - this job closed in March 2021

www.charityjob.co.uk/jobs/stonewall/events-and-celebrity-officer/734152

but this bit got me looking on their website as i wanted to know who is in this growing portfolio of high profile supporters:

The Events and Celebrity Officer will report to, and work closely alongside, the Events and Celebrity Manager and will be responsible for logistical and administrative aspects of the team’s biggest events. The Events and Celebrity officer will also play a big part in working with Stonewall’s growing portfolio of incredible high profile and high value supporters.

can anyone find it on their site? maybe i've missed something but just find it odd that when anyone with a profile or need to virtue signal during June is making sure everyone knows about it and groups like SW show off their supporters to anyone who'll listen but cant find anything here

maybe reading too much into it but could this be hidden just like their champions? along with these champions are celebs also dropping like flies/wanting their connection hidden?

Tesla73 · 18/06/2021 09:57

Save the Children are not with Stonewall anymore according to their reply to my email:

*Thank you for getting in touch and for your kind support of your local Save the Children charity store.

We are delighted to hear it is one of the stores you regularly frequent!

I am just writing to confirm that Save the Children does not have any partnerships with the organisations you mentioned.

I hope that helps to alleviate any concerns of yours.

I hope you are keeping safe and well*

Mermoose · 17/06/2021 16:24

to support those affected by dying, death and bereavement.

  • but isn't that just the problem? That people who are in that situation need to be able, clearly, to request and have intimate care carried out by someone of their own sex, should they wish it. The problem isn't that Stonewall wants LGBT people treated properly, it's that they don't create conditions that support everyone being treated properly. (including, if it conflicts with their commitment to gender identity ideology, LGBT people themselves).