Page 20 | Organisations Leaving Stonewall: The List

Barracker · 2021-05-29T18:50:42+00:00

Thought it would be handy to keep a running list here of organisations who have done 'budget reviews' or similar and have subsequently decided that Stonewall are 'not value for money'. *EHRC* *ACAS* *House of Commons* *DVLA* *Dorset Police* *The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government* Do feel free to update the thread as more join the exodus.

zanahoria · 29/05/2021 21:54

She said Stonewall does not represent everyone in the LGBTQ community

only those who give them money

alexyyy · 29/05/2021 21:54

@Helen8220

Stonewall help us make sure our policies are as LGBT+ inclusive as possible and prepare staff training (eg on being a good ally), puts us in touch with other organisations to share best practice, offers discounts on training and conferences.

My organisation generally puts quite a lot of time and effort into D&I on all fronts.

Except they aren't L inclusive, are they? And inclusion of T involves exclusion of women. When inclusion involves exclusion, it isn't actually inclusion, it's just political lobbying for one group over another.

ofwarren · 29/05/2021 21:53

Shamelessly placemarking
Excellent news 😁

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 29/05/2021 21:52

@BettyFilous

Shame to see this informative, on point thread being sent off course by Helen’s post.

You’re absolutely right, Betty.

Helen8220 · 29/05/2021 21:52

Sorry for derailing, I’ll make this my last post. Just wanted to express support for the stonewall scheme. For the handful of organisations that have left the scheme (and in the case the public sector, I suspect in most cases genuinely due to budget pressures) there are many more that still value it.

BettyFilous · 29/05/2021 21:47

Shame to see this informative, on point thread being sent off course by Helen’s post.

OhHolyJesus · 29/05/2021 21:43

Sounds like your employer has it covered already Helen and they could save a few bob by not renewing. The going rate appears to be around the £2,500 mark I think.

But I'm sure they are truly and fully inclusive and spend the exact same amounts with those advising them in other marginalised groups like those with physical and mental disabilities for example.

I'm sure your employer must rely on Stonewall in order to connect with other orgs for best practise, it's not like you can make an approach by phone or email without them.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 29/05/2021 21:40

@Helen8220

Stonewall help us make sure our policies are as LGBT+ inclusive as possible and prepare staff training (eg on being a good ally), puts us in touch with other organisations to share best practice, offers discounts on training and conferences.

My organisation generally puts quite a lot of time and effort into D&I on all fronts.

Does your employer have an excellent and public record on race, disability, and for other protected characteristics?

What inclusivity for LGBT+ has Stonewall nudged your employer to put in place that didn't exist previously? Similarly, what best practice has been introduced?

Helen8220 · 29/05/2021 21:36

Stonewall help us make sure our policies are as LGBT+ inclusive as possible and prepare staff training (eg on being a good ally), puts us in touch with other organisations to share best practice, offers discounts on training and conferences.

My organisation generally puts quite a lot of time and effort into D&I on all fronts.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 29/05/2021 21:33

@Helen8220

I’m pleased to say that my employer is renewing its membership for another year. I’d be concerned what it would say about their commitment to LGBT+ inclusion if they didn’t.

Do you have any basis to distrust your colleagues to such an extent that you consider your workplace is only inclusive because your employer spends money with Stonewall?

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 29/05/2021 21:30

@Helen8220

I’m pleased to say that my employer is renewing its membership for another year. I’d be concerned what it would say about their commitment to LGBT+ inclusion if they didn’t.

I’d be concerned about what it says about their commitment to LGB & women’s inclusion if they do.

ArabellaScott · 29/05/2021 21:28

Stonewall is only inclusive of some people, their Chief said so very clearly this morning. Not even all LGBTQ people!

'We don't claim to represent everyone in the LGBTQ community' - Nancy Kelley

So it's a sort of exclusive type of inclusivity. Bit of an odd one.

beryltheperilrocks · 29/05/2021 21:26

@Helen8220

I’m pleased to say that my employer is renewing its membership for another year. I’d be concerned what it would say about their commitment to LGBT+ inclusion if they didn’t.

Because that's the only way to be inclusive?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 29/05/2021 21:25

I’d love to know how much these all so terribly inclusive rainbow waving organisations actually do to include those people with protected characteristics that require a bit of effort e.g making physical alterations to buildings to accommodate disabilities or having robust policies to ensure pregnant women aren’t discriminated against or ensuring that a women’s support network is single sex?

Or is being inclusive to gender woo the only one that counts?

Lettera · 29/05/2021 21:25

Helen8220

Why do you think it's necessary for your employer to pay hundreds of pounds to Stonewall in order to be inclusive?

ArabellaScott · 29/05/2021 21:16

Here's one for the DVLA:

'Everything you say is lies
But to me that's no surprise
What I had for you was true
Things go wrong, they always do'

Helen8220 · 29/05/2021 21:13

I’m pleased to say that my employer is renewing its membership for another year. I’d be concerned what it would say about their commitment to LGBT+ inclusion if they didn’t.

ArabellaScott · 29/05/2021 20:56

Oh, gosh, who was expecting that, how surprising.

purplesequins · 29/05/2021 20:47

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

The DVLA? Have I missed my opportunity to self-identify as an HGV driver and go for a spin down the M4?

dvla allows to change the sex marker on the driving licence without a grc

Leafstamp · 29/05/2021 20:40

Bristol, North Somerset and South Gloucester CCG (NHS) did not renew membership to Stonewall in 2020.

See point 6 here: www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/725083/response/1738243/attach/html/5/FOI%202021218%20Final%20Response.pdf.html

OhHolyJesus · 29/05/2021 20:39

This is a good list for prospective drop outs though not confirmed it appears that

Lloyds and Channel 4 may have cut ties

twitter.com/annmsinnott/status/1398211828635799555?s=21

Their global list of champions is here, though it seems shorter to me.

www.stonewall.org.uk/global-diversity-champions-members

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 29/05/2021 20:32

The women at Sex Matters are writing/have written to the champions to challenge them on their membership

Sex Matters is asking people to pick 5 organisations to write to and send them their personalised version of the letter.

Check the list of Stonewall Champions
Pick five institutions you are close to. For example your local council, your local NHS trust, a government department, your university, companies you buy from, charities you support.
Write to them with a copy of our letter and a personal note from you

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/leave-stonewall/

Mollyollydolly · 29/05/2021 20:26

I remember reading an article about the DVLA and it's handling of Covid. It was a complete shit show, they could afford to do this for 'diversity' points but didn't protect their staff when it came down to it.
Anyway, brilliant news, I want to see more police forces on that list. In fact I want to see more everything on that list.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 29/05/2021 20:16

There could be (I hope) a few corporations to add to that list ere long. The women at Sex Matters are writing/have written to the champions to challenge them on their membership

EyesOpening · 29/05/2021 20:15

Placemarking