Organisations Leaving Stonewall: The List

Does no one realise all this " ahead if the law" stuff makes it sound like they already know its not law. Won't serve them well if any law suits arise.

Well well. Will you look at this. Pink News obviously thought they could save the money and go one better than stonewall.

https://twitter.com/atraschel/status/1399301702621220865?s=21

@CardinalLolzy

This is from another thread but wasn't answered, so I'd be interested in your interpretation - if your gender identity is 'woman' and your sex is 'female' is your gender identity 'the same as' or 'different from' your sex? (Assuming here that 'sex' refers to biological sex and is fixed).

I don’t think any of these terms are being (or can be) used in very precise concrete way; as commented above, the Equality Act defines the protected characteristic of gender reassignment in the following terms: “the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.”

The language is clearly being used by different people (and in different contexts) in very different ways.

But broadly it seems to me that if your birth certificate says female and you identify as a woman/female you can’t reasonably be said to be transgender or to have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

'Stonewall's Approval' is the new kissing of the ring.

Stonewall seems to have appointed themselves as a form of diversity Ofsted.

"Stonewall's approval'.

I honestly don't think they see it.

I don't know Leafstamp but just saw this on twitter which suggests we must get those letters out without delay.

twitter.com/mynamesnotliz/status/1398659867494256642?s=21

I guess the info may be on some FOI requests? And so if the expiry date has elapsed since the last FOI then it’s time for another?!

Wondering how long we should leave it before sending more FOI's to ask if they have left yet? 🤔

Here is a link to the Sex Matters template letter to use to send to five organisations on the list to suggest they leave the champions list. Can now be updated to reflect new government advice!
Today I am writing to the university DD2 will be starting at in autumn and the one DD1 left last year which filled her head with nonsense about intersectional feminism meaning she has to be kind and include men in her feminism.

Will also write to MacMillan and Marie Curie, both organisations I am saddened to see on the list and which can do without wasting charitable funds in this way.

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/leave-stonewall/

Just reposting the archived list of diversity champions for reference.

archive.is/2021.05.17-124307/www.stonewall.org.uk/diversity-champions-members

Honestly I think it's sheer laziness. Let's outsource that boring side of fulfilling our duties and get a gold star while we're at it. Little realising how much it will cost over time as fulfilling the demands of the champions scheme becomes more and more onerous, and the true cost begins to reveal itself in the mountain of paperwork generated. I have no doubt many organisations will breathe a huge sigh of relief as they quietly absent themselves from the roll call

Agree but it's still astonishing that no one in these huge organisations foresaw the risks of implementing Stonewall's policies. Nothing in the Essex Uni report is surprising or requires technical legal knowledge. Any employer should know that you have to balance the rights of different groups of employees carefully. You can't just set aside one group (women) in favour of another.

’Liz Truss, the equalities minister, is pushing for all government departments to withdraw from Stonewall’s employment scheme following a row over transgender rights.’

Brilliant news

This is so very fantastic. Very soon, any Stonewall champion will be seen as anti women and anti gay, so much for making organisations the 'best employers'. Get away from your base and your base will get away from you

Great comments under the Times article. Today is a very good day!

There are not enough lols

mobile.twitter.com/TimBarnsley1/status/1398609835701194753

Wow. That’s quite the advice. 250 government departments and public bodies is a huge revenue stream if they’re all paying up to £2500 for the process. That’s a lot of taxpayer’s money for inaccurate legal advice (whether deliberate or not). I imagine this will be spun as an anti-LGBT move but there’s plenty of info out there to hit back against that slur. Interesting.

He couldn't stand that she said 'no' to self id when he thought it was in the bag.. He basically called on her to resign because she saw through his underhand shenanigans.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-54283133

Liz Truss is incredible. Swoon.

The anti-Semitism comment couldn't have helped.

I know, she's not messing about, I think Crispin Blunt pissed her off!