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Organisations Leaving Stonewall: The List

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Barracker · 29/05/2021 19:50

Thought it would be handy to keep a running list here of organisations who have done 'budget reviews' or similar and have subsequently decided that Stonewall are 'not value for money'.

EHRC
ACAS
House of Commons
DVLA
Dorset Police
The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government

Do feel free to update the thread as more join the exodus.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 04/06/2021 11:40

Amid increasing scrutiny of the benefits of participation, at the time of going to press 24 of the 77 Diversity Champion law firms contacted by RollOnFriday confirmed that they remained members of the scheme, while nine, including Travers Smith, Pinsent Masons, Gateley, Cleary Gottlieb, and Baker McKenzie, said they intended to renew their memberships.
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The Law Society and the Solicitors Regulation Authority both declined to clarify whether or not they were still Diversity Champions.

As citizens, I think we have a public interest right to know if the regulatory bodies and leading firms are supporting an organisation that misrepresents the law and continues to do so despite numerous corrections.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/06/2021 11:37

@Cwenthryth

The first law firm has broken ranks

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-law-firm-quits-stonewall-over-its-disquieting-recent-actions

Good summary of the whole sorry state of affairs in that article as well.

And they said "After some disquiet about recent actions of Stonewall we have decided to exit the Stonewall Diversity Programme", rather than citing budgetary concerns. The trickle is beginning to increase into a flow.
Cwenthryth · 04/06/2021 11:34

The first law firm has broken ranks

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-law-firm-quits-stonewall-over-its-disquieting-recent-actions

Good summary of the whole sorry state of affairs in that article as well.

FannyCann · 03/06/2021 11:18

Yes I agree JoodyBlue
More breaking down barriers and treating one class as objects to be available for the other class, ties in nicely with sex work is work.

SpindleWhorl · 03/06/2021 10:21

[quote Igneococcus]Top story in the Times Law section today "Critics call for law firms to quit Stonewall":

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3cd95f0a-c3ac-11eb-8601-6a2ece3e4634?shareToken=0aefb8ba4f71beb82e010a1310e150a7[/quote]
Excellent piece by Catherine Baksi (who I hadn't heard of before).

JoodyBlue · 03/06/2021 10:10

The category I find most troubling is the "demi sexual" as a descriptor of someone who needs an emotional connection before sleeping with someone. In the good old days this would have been the aim of most of us, who didn't fall under the arsehole category. Most especially those of us who could get pregnant. Now then it is a rare category. If that is really the case it is depressing beyond measure.

Sophoclesthefox · 03/06/2021 07:08

[quote Leafstamp]Good article by Maya Forstater, just published:

thecritic.co.uk/stonewalls-ratner-moment/[/quote]
That’s a belter!

Igneococcus · 03/06/2021 06:34

Top story in the Times Law section today "Critics call for law firms to quit Stonewall":

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3cd95f0a-c3ac-11eb-8601-6a2ece3e4634?shareToken=0aefb8ba4f71beb82e010a1310e150a7

SpindleWhorl · 03/06/2021 02:19

Interestingly, my local council do not appear to be involved with Stonewall. I'm tempted to FoI them ask why not. Could be illuminating.

Miraloma · 02/06/2021 23:50

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

The DVLA? Have I missed my opportunity to self-identify as an HGV driver and go for a spin down the M4?
I did an audible hoot
Leafstamp · 02/06/2021 22:23

Fingers crossed they are already on the path of dumping Stonewall then eurochick!

eurochick · 02/06/2021 22:11

@Leafstamp there has been no policy change yet in the organisation but I was told our association with Stonewall was already being discussed when I raised it. So better than the brush off I was expecting!

Leafstamp · 02/06/2021 21:44

What did you Head of Diversity say @eurochick? I’m guessing it was not a fruitful discussion?

Leafstamp · 02/06/2021 21:43

I had to google Jamie Hooper, and see that he’s actually gone freelance now by the looks of it:

uk.linkedin.com/in/jamie-hooper-he-him-1862935a

I wonder how much Sport England (and others?) pay him?

His practice seems a bit like Ruth Hunt’s?

McDuffy · 02/06/2021 18:44

@CaveMum

Swim England are out - I’m betting Sharron Davies played a role there!
🧐 Jamie Hooper (now of Sport England) used to work there if my memory serves me correctly
Leafstamp · 02/06/2021 17:36

Very interesting indeed. For the record, it says the policy is under review. Hope my photo attach works.

Organisations Leaving Stonewall: The List
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/06/2021 17:11

@CaveMum

Swim England are out - I’m betting Sharron Davies played a role there!
www.swimming.org/swimengland/engaging-trans-people-facility-operators/

Interesting...

eurochick · 02/06/2021 16:09

I put my head above the parapet last week and asked the head of diversity what the hell we were doing still associating with this bunch. I have tried...

Datun · 02/06/2021 15:54

[quote Leafstamp]Good article by Maya Forstater, just published:

thecritic.co.uk/stonewalls-ratner-moment/[/quote]
That is a blinding article. Absolutely brilliant.

macj1 · 02/06/2021 15:52

Just asked a Uni where my daughter is holding a place to confirm that they have quit Stonewall's 'Diversity Champions' lobby; why send her to a Uni that would support the denial of same-sex attraction, thus my existence as a lesbian, and her existence as a young woman with sex-based rights. This is from the investigation into Stonewall's activities re:Essex University that have been described as illegal.
“The report sets out in extremely clear terms how following a ‘simple’ misrepresentation of the Equalities Act 2010 to include ‘gender identity’ can result in stopping academic debate of trans rights, or of the necessity to maintain sex-based rights… Universities must act upon the hectoring and bullying of those who hold gender critical views, especially when that hectoring comes in the form of violent and profane imagery and language.”
lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/05/university-of-essex-apologise-for-serious-mistakes-in-freedom-of-speech-victory-and-face-questions-as-a-stonewall-diversity-champion/

Leafstamp · 02/06/2021 15:01

Good article by Maya Forstater, just published:

thecritic.co.uk/stonewalls-ratner-moment/

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 02/06/2021 14:56

@ArabellaScott

Have you got MS Access, Embarrassing? That was the database programme I used about a million years ago. It was quite good for pulling different data out afterwrds ... not sure I could still use it now, tho!
I have access to a reasonable suite of software and data analysis tools - it's more that I'm not a database person for this sort of thing. So, I need to know how to pull in the relevant FOIs as compared to Sex Matters list - and then how to: log that an organisation hasn't responded; pull in answers even when I'm aware that a fair number of the respondents haven't answered Q1-6.
ArabellaScott · 02/06/2021 14:37

Have you got MS Access, Embarrassing? That was the database programme I used about a million years ago. It was quite good for pulling different data out afterwrds ... not sure I could still use it now, tho!

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 02/06/2021 12:54

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I don't think organisations always answer FOIs properly. Sex Matters has North Wales Police as having left. Yet at www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/information_about_your_dealings_408#incoming-1730292 they state they have had no involvement with Stonewall in 2019 or 2020.
Having read several hundred FOI responses, a number of organisations: obfuscate; report that they don't hold information; report they hold information but don't consider they need to share it; refuse to reply to someone who doesn't identify their first name or honorific; don't answer the 6 questions; seem to dance around whether their answer to Q1 omits the information that they have a 3 year membership so didn't need to apply; don't answer Q6 clearly.

A number of organisations respond that they have no SW membership/contact and never have - which raises the question about the accuracy of SW's list.

If anybody is knowledgeable about databases, it would be very helpful if they could specify how to organise these FOIs and the responses better.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/06/2021 12:47

I don't think organisations always answer FOIs properly. Sex Matters has North Wales Police as having left. Yet at www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/information_about_your_dealings_408#incoming-1730292 they state they have had no involvement with Stonewall in 2019 or 2020.