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Organisations Leaving Stonewall: The List

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Barracker · 29/05/2021 19:50

Thought it would be handy to keep a running list here of organisations who have done 'budget reviews' or similar and have subsequently decided that Stonewall are 'not value for money'.

EHRC
ACAS
House of Commons
DVLA
Dorset Police
The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government

Do feel free to update the thread as more join the exodus.

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Leafstamp · 04/06/2021 20:47

@InspiralCoalescenceRingdown

For anyone who wants to avoid Twitter:

Someone sent a DontSubmitToStonewall FOI request to the University of Bedfordshire, who didn't respond.

Eventually the requester sent a request for an internal review, the next step before complaining to the ICO.

The University's Interim Data Protection Officer then send a belated response to the original FOI request saying that the University has no dealings with Stonewall. Except in the letterhead at the bottom was the Stonewall Diversity Champions logo.

This was posted into Twitter. The Uni Press Team Twitter posted saying the letterhead was out of date, that the current one didn't say Stonewall, but that they were looking forward to getting it back on the letterhead!

So the Uni lied about not having dealings with Stonewall, gave the game away through using the wrong letterhead, then gave the game away again on Twitter!

Thank you for being less lazy than me!

The uni had also recently tweeted about a meeting with Stonewall! So someone somewhere is lying.

Hopefully it will be reported to ICO. (Though they are also SW members Hmm).

InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 04/06/2021 20:00

For anyone who wants to avoid Twitter:

Someone sent a DontSubmitToStonewall FOI request to the University of Bedfordshire, who didn't respond.

Eventually the requester sent a request for an internal review, the next step before complaining to the ICO.

The University's Interim Data Protection Officer then send a belated response to the original FOI request saying that the University has no dealings with Stonewall. Except in the letterhead at the bottom was the Stonewall Diversity Champions logo.

This was posted into Twitter. The Uni Press Team Twitter posted saying the letterhead was out of date, that the current one didn't say Stonewall, but that they were looking forward to getting it back on the letterhead!

So the Uni lied about not having dealings with Stonewall, gave the game away through using the wrong letterhead, then gave the game away again on Twitter!

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 04/06/2021 19:54

[quote Leafstamp]Uni of Beds has made a right hash of their response to a FOI request:

mobile.twitter.com/karenovirus19/status/1400754125135089668[/quote]
Thank you. I did wonder.

Leafstamp · 04/06/2021 19:48

Uni of Beds has made a right hash of their response to a FOI request:

mobile.twitter.com/karenovirus19/status/1400754125135089668

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 04/06/2021 19:39

@InspiralCoalescenceRingdown

The University of Bedfordshire is liable to have an Acting Interim Data Protection Officer soon...

I'm surprised that they'd flat out lie on an FOI response! And then the Uni press team responding to the tweets Grin

Are you saying Bedfordshire is in the SW scheme? (I'm assuming that they don't mean Brunel which is in the news for their responses on Twitter.)
InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 04/06/2021 19:30

The University of Bedfordshire is liable to have an Acting Interim Data Protection Officer soon...

I'm surprised that they'd flat out lie on an FOI response! And then the Uni press team responding to the tweets Grin

DeRigueurMortis · 04/06/2021 18:18

So what has that remit to do with Stonewall? I hadn't noticed them doing much for "poor and disadvantaged" people.

I dunno...just a hunch that a certain TV Doctor is feeling quite "poor and disadvantaged" right now Wink

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 04/06/2021 16:09

Comic Relief. OK. Founded to help with the famine in Ethiopia in 1985...

The charity states that its aim is to "bring about positive and lasting change in the lives of poor and disadvantaged people, which we believe requires investing in work that addresses people's immediate needs as well as tackling the root causes of poverty and injustice".

So what has that remit to do with Stonewall? I hadn't noticed them doing much for "poor and disadvantaged" people.

CrazyNeighbour · 04/06/2021 15:38

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WinterTrees · 04/06/2021 15:32

@CaveMum

Just got back from the weekly shop at Sainsburys - can’t see them leaving Stonewall anytime soon: rainbow bunting everywhere complete with “LGBTQ+“ branded flags.
I was there this morning and rolled my eyes at the rainbow poster by the door saying they are 'proud to be working with Comic Relief to support their LGBT+ community'. It reminded me never to donate to Comic Relief again, and I wandered around with my trolley musing on all the other 'communities' that could really genuinely benefit from a huge supermarket working to support them. (Though of course, putting up posters and rainbow banners is the only 'work' they actually seem to do.)

Two of my daughters are in the 'LGBT+ community.' Both of them would argue that they don't require any additional support from Sainsburys, thanks very much. And that the assumption that they do, in itself, has a whiff of homophobia about it. ('Hey - you're welcome to shop here, just in case you were worried that you weren't, because of - you know - your sexual preferences!)

teawamutu · 04/06/2021 15:24

Comments are excellent, particularly the description of Fox-killer as a "preening fool".

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 04/06/2021 15:01

@Cwenthryth

The first law firm has broken ranks

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-law-firm-quits-stonewall-over-its-disquieting-recent-actions

Good summary of the whole sorry state of affairs in that article as well.

And the comments are over-whelmingly supportive of the firm and anti-SW.
AfternoonToffee · 04/06/2021 14:19

@CaveMum

Just got back from the weekly shop at Sainsburys - can’t see them leaving Stonewall anytime soon: rainbow bunting everywhere complete with “LGBTQ+“ branded flags.
Sainsbury's have been totally StoneWall washed, it's the same every year.
CaveMum · 04/06/2021 14:12

Just got back from the weekly shop at Sainsburys - can’t see them leaving Stonewall anytime soon: rainbow bunting everywhere complete with “LGBTQ+“ branded flags.

CriticalCondition · 04/06/2021 14:06

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

Amid increasing scrutiny of the benefits of participation, at the time of going to press 24 of the 77 Diversity Champion law firms contacted by RollOnFriday confirmed that they remained members of the scheme, while nine, including Travers Smith, Pinsent Masons, Gateley, Cleary Gottlieb, and Baker McKenzie, said they intended to renew their memberships. … The Law Society and the Solicitors Regulation Authority both declined to clarify whether or not they were still Diversity Champions.

As citizens, I think we have a public interest right to know if the regulatory bodies and leading firms are supporting an organisation that misrepresents the law and continues to do so despite numerous corrections.

The Law Society most definitely IS a member. According to its FOI response on 4th March 2021 it paid annual membership fees of £3000 in 2020, and the same the year before. Membership runs to 31st August.

I guess it is just too craven to admit its shameful part in joining and promoting this racket and will quietly let membership lapse in August under the guise of a 'budget review'. Cowards.

We really, really need a public enquiry.

ANewCreation · 04/06/2021 13:52

'But Frances Coulson, the firm's Senior Partner, told RollOnFriday that Moon Beever had relinquished its membership.

"After some disquiet about recent actions of Stonewall we have decided to exit the Stonewall Diversity Programme", she said.

"This in no way detracts from our commitment to diversity and equality, but in common with the Equality and Human Rights Commission and Government Departments we no longer feel that we can support Stonewall", said Coulson.'

I like the cut of her jib - not only expressing her own disquiet but highlighting the fact that the EHRC and government departments are on the move too. Nicely put.

Also fab name for a law firm

OvaHere · 04/06/2021 12:49

The rollonfriday article is good. Pleased to see a law firm being truthful about being disquieted with Stonewall rather than hiding behind 'budgetary limitations'.

JoodyBlue · 04/06/2021 12:24

Swim England crossed off the list makes .e very happy :)

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 04/06/2021 12:17

twitter.com/firestoned5/status/1400352543813750788?s=21

This is glorious

Screenshot for those who avoid Twitter

Organisations Leaving Stonewall: The List
Datun · 04/06/2021 12:13

Concerns from erstwhile supporters over Stonewall's direction have grown since it pivoted to encompass transgender issues in 2015, when it began campaigning for male-bodied people to be able to self-identify as women, and for the abolition of exemptions which can currently prevent males from using single sex female spaces such as women's changing rooms, refuges, hostels and prisons.

It still amazes me that anyone, anyone at all, finds at least the latter part, anything other than crazy.

AfternoonToffee · 04/06/2021 12:10

As usual those in support of SW merely resort to slurs, even if you vehemently disagree with what is currently happening you must surely notice the difference in how the two sides put their point across.

ArabellaScott · 04/06/2021 11:57

@Cwenthryth

The first law firm has broken ranks

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-law-firm-quits-stonewall-over-its-disquieting-recent-actions

Good summary of the whole sorry state of affairs in that article as well.

That's fantastic. Not least because they're openly saying they were worried by Stonewall's recent actions, instead of going for the 'cutbacks' line.
EmbarrassingAdmissions · 04/06/2021 11:53

@JustcameoutGC

So Stonewall invent new language and terms, and re-invent the meaning of well established and understood terms (without consulting those who the terms refer to), are a result of this merry go round, employers are so bamboozled they don't have a hope of keeping pace, and are so afraid of making a 'mistake' that they need the 'experts' to advise them. This is MLM surely?
There are some excellent discussions of the vast overlaps of cults and MLM and why you constantly need mentors and leaders to keep you clear and on-track for the purity of the vision of the future. It's all very similar.
JustcameoutGC · 04/06/2021 11:50

So Stonewall invent new language and terms, and re-invent the meaning of well established and understood terms (without consulting those who the terms refer to), are a result of this merry go round, employers are so bamboozled they don't have a hope of keeping pace, and are so afraid of making a 'mistake' that they need the 'experts' to advise them. This is MLM surely?

nancywhisky · 04/06/2021 11:44

@Cwenthryth

The first law firm has broken ranks

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-law-firm-quits-stonewall-over-its-disquieting-recent-actions

Good summary of the whole sorry state of affairs in that article as well.

and nice graphic!
Organisations Leaving Stonewall: The List