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ACAS confirms it has left Stonewall - the Times

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ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 28/05/2021 06:10

“ A second high-profile public body has ditched a rights group’s scheme to encourage “diversity days” after concerns were raised that it gave unlawful advice on transgender rights.

Acas, the employment dispute service, confirmed to The Times that it had withdrawn “for cost reasons” from the diversity champions scheme run by Stonewall”

Link: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-suffers-fresh-setback-in-trans-advice-row-j3p79gb2k

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MrsMidClegs · 28/05/2021 08:31

Just realised the significance for women in the workplace of it being ACAS that have pulled the plug!

(Haven't had coffee yet..).

👏👏👏👏👏

Nonmaquillee · 28/05/2021 08:28

Bloody brilliant 😊😊

MrsMidClegs · 28/05/2021 08:27

A friend of mine's company's CEO refused to sign them up to be a Stonewall champ and it apparently caused a lot of grumbling internally. Mostly by gay men I hear.
I'm glad these other companies, especially the EHRC, are pulling out as it now makes it so much easier for CEOs to say NO.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 28/05/2021 08:09

@PurplePlain

I'm pleased about this, but also sad that I feel pleased. Stonewall was a positive thing.
This

Equality, diversity and inclusion should be good things

Hearing people talk about those things at work shouldn’t worry me, I should be pleased!

oldwomanwhoruns · 28/05/2021 08:06

@PearPickingPorky but why should it be political? (re citing the costs of membership as the reason for leaving).

ACAS simply have to say that Stonewall was misrepresenting the law to them.

This is not a minor gripe, is it? ACAS hire stonewall for advice on one issue. And stonewall gets this one issue wrong. Grin

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 28/05/2021 07:59

Fantastic

ofwarren · 28/05/2021 07:53

Excellent news!
Seems like the house of cards is finally falling.

PermanentTemporary · 28/05/2021 07:49

What PurplePlain said.

I don't know which person or board decision set Stonewall on the path to effectively be corporate UK's outsourced 'diversity' department. It reminds me of medieval warlords paying for chantries to say hundreds of masses for their souls so they can get on with marrying 14 year olds, taxing the poor and slaughtering rebels.

WineAcademy · 28/05/2021 07:46

Well well well.

Tibtom · 28/05/2021 07:44

@PearPickingPorky

As Barracker said, the EHRC gave everyone the perfect excuse with their "cost reasons". Makes it much easier for others to follow.
Others can use the cost excuse but I do think EHRC should have said that being a member of SW champion scheme would place organisations in breach of their public sector equality duty to ALL protected characteristics.
JustcameoutGC · 28/05/2021 07:41

Their trustees must be quaking in their boots. Ultimately it is up to them to govern the charity. If they do unlawful things, it is up to the Trustees to sort it. I would be stepping down round about now...

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 28/05/2021 07:37

@highame

Stonewall was also captured, for which I am very sad. It was a fantastic organisation for gay rights before it added the T. However, Stonewall wants to destroy the rights of women, therefore we can only be relived when Stonewall their are signs of destruction.
Exactly. It’s pretty tragic when you think of their history. But Stonewall are a homophobic & misogynistic organisation now.
AfternoonToffee · 28/05/2021 07:35

Whilst this is good news it is also a worry that the first two to go are two that should have such a grasp on the law that they should have seen through the SW misrepresentation. How could ACAS have offered impartial advice when they were stonewalled to the hilt?

eurochick · 28/05/2021 07:33

I'm also pleased but sad that I feel pleased. It was a good organisation that accomplished lots of good things, but it has completely lost its way.

highame · 28/05/2021 07:27

Stonewall was also captured, for which I am very sad. It was a fantastic organisation for gay rights before it added the T. However, Stonewall wants to destroy the rights of women, therefore we can only be relived when Stonewall their are signs of destruction.

PearPickingPorky · 28/05/2021 07:25

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

It would be nice though if these organisations owned their decisions and didn't let Stonewall off the hook by claiming this was about cost
Saying anything else makes it about politics, which is tricky ground for most organisations to navigate as they shouldn't really be getting involved in politics.

But every organisation has a budget to balance.

Ifyourefeelingsinister · 28/05/2021 07:25

Great news!

SirSamuelVimes · 28/05/2021 07:23

Yes!!!

OhHolyJesus · 28/05/2021 07:22

We can expect another round of "u ok hun" type tweets then as The Times is clearly "obsessed" with Stonewall, according to their social media team.

Very pleased to hear this news. Another nail.

PearPickingPorky · 28/05/2021 07:21

As Barracker said, the EHRC gave everyone the perfect excuse with their "cost reasons". Makes it much easier for others to follow.

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 28/05/2021 07:19

It would be nice though if these organisations owned their decisions and didn't let Stonewall off the hook by claiming this was about cost

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 28/05/2021 07:15

I love how cost saving is giving them the perfect excuse!

PurplePlain · 28/05/2021 07:14

I'm pleased about this, but also sad that I feel pleased. Stonewall was a positive thing.

Ivebeeninlockdowntoolong · 28/05/2021 07:14

Good!

MrsBertBibby · 28/05/2021 07:13
Grin
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