Live now - Lizz Truss oral evidence to WESC: The role of the GEO: embedding equalities across Government

I agree Eresh that they should make a formal complaint the difference in treatment was absolutely stark and prejudicial against them. It was abundantly clear which side the questioners favoured and that they had already made their minds up, this was NOT an impartial exercise to gather evidence fairly from both sides. The questioners had an agenda and couldn't hide their bias.

From the oral evidence transcript of the disbanded LGBT Group:

I know that Stonewall has been developing really close links with advisors at Number 10 and other parts of Government, and so looking to influence the agenda in a different way

Well colour me surprised, more evidence of Stonewall's pernicious influence.

What a load of whinging and whining from those who were on the now disbanded group and a pretty damning insight into how they perceived themselves, the power they felt the should have to dictate Government Policy and the complete lack of any consideration for anyone other than their sacred cohort. No wonder Liz Truss closed it down.

Yes Redand Eresh it was very clear to all that there was a bias in the way the women were questioned...it is right that those in power eg the PM should be grilled at these committees but those giving expert opinions should be listened to respectfully, especially when they give clear and reasoned evidence, unlike the vague and batshit responses from the lobby...

I am still furious about the difference the way the questioners treated women appearing before the committee and men and trans. The fawning over the men and trans, making sure they used correct titles, no awkward or difficult questions asked, compare and contrast with the way women were treated - aggressive questioning, disrespect shown by not using correct titles, attitudes that were rude and dismissive, no desire to understand or acknowledge the view the women put forward.

I think they should make a formal complaint. It's really inappropriate and shows the level of bias in this supposedly impartial "Women" and "Equalities" committee which appears to me not to be focussing on either.

Going back to Liz Truss saying women at every opportunity yesterday, quite right she is Minister for Women and Equalities, the committee she appeared before yesterday was the Women and Equalities Committee, not as the questioners seem to believe the Trans Committee.

I am still furious about the difference the way the questioners treated women appearing before the committee and men and trans. The fawning over the men and trans, making sure they used correct titles, no awkward or difficult questions asked, compare and contrast with the way women were treated - aggressive questioning, disrespect shown by not using correct titles, attitudes that were rude and dismissive, no desire to understand or acknowledge the view the women put forward.

Women and their concerns and needs should be front and centre on this Committee and in this brief, the word Women comes first that should be the remit but of course, as always, that can't possibly be when there are men to be served and worshipped.

Yes, good analysis, AnyOldPrion.

The latter puts the onus on protecting people, whoever they are. There’s no implication that you should be free to be or do anything you want. You should however, be able to live your life in safety, which surely is desirable for everyone, so long as it’s balanced and takes all groups into consideration.

That's the one. They did mention Foucault's paedophilia in passing but were definitely more exercised by Truss criticising him while not understanding quite how clever he was.

[quote nauticant]It's not just angry men on twitter. Liz Truss is really getting under the skin of other progressives. Last night on Radio 4 a programme speaking favourably about Foucault made sure to have a go at her:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000wcd4[/quote]
You mean, Michel Foucault the paedophile, who raped 8 and 9 year old boys?

'Foucault was a vocal proponent of consensual adult-child underage sex and pedophilia, considering them signs of liberation of both actors;[185][186][187] he argued young children could give consent.[188] In 1977, along with Jean-Paul Sartre, Jacques Derrida, and other intellectuals, Foucault signed a petition to the French parliament calling for the decriminalization of all "consensual" sexual relations between adults and minors below the age of fifteen, the age of consent in France.[189][190] He also wrote an open letter in the Le Monde in defense of three convicted pedophiles.[185][186][191] In the second and third volumes of Foucault’s History of Sexuality, pederasty and “the possibility of the love for boys” serve a “foundational role”. [192][193]'

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault#Underage_sex_and_pedophilia

That Michel Foucault?

The tide is a turning.

I don’t think the consultation is open yet??!!

@NecessaryScene1 it's September according to this.

https://twitter.com/markerjparker/status/1397221455373508621?s=21

It's not just angry men on twitter. Liz Truss is really getting under the skin of other progressives. Last night on Radio 4 a programme speaking favourably about Foucault made sure to have a go at her:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000wcd4

Don't know, but there is the ongoing petition for starters

Thanks signed

I don’t think the consultation is open yet??!!

Don't know, but there is the ongoing petition for starters:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/582083

wrong thread sorry

You could extend your search into Scotland since you are so close to the border - Edinburgh for example

I didn't listen to all of this, will try and catch up later, I left just after the Welsh Labour Party MP and her the former LGBT Group damning testimony which I thought Liz Truss dealt with exceptionally well, you could see the wind had gone out of the sails of Alexandra Davies-Jones.

Some things that stood out and I noted was Liz Truss continually mentioned women and girls, a committee being set up seems to have an all female membership, but the one thing that really caught my attention was Liz Truss continually referenced race, sex, disability and sexual orientation as protected characteristics and I never once heard gender reassignment nor the made up gender identity. From what I heard today I am cautiously optimistic as to where Liz's priorities lie.