Elliot Page undergoes “lifesaving” “top surgery”

Good luck with the birth!

Good luck with the birth, Weaving, hope it all goes well for you.

[quote WeavingWandering]@CuriousaboutSamphire I’ve literally published papers on neuroscience… I’m always happy to read more because I’m a nerd but I hope I’d know my stuff at that point.[/quote]
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The thought of that is scary.

Unless of course you really work in a publishing house. 😊

Shall have a look! I’m very close to giving birth so if I go silent that may be the reason - but I have no doubt I’ll have some late night feeds for reading up on things so if I suddenly pop back in a few weeks, please excuse my delayed reply !

And to the person who asked about brain scans to identify before surgery - interesting point. I’m not sure it’s something I’d personally advocate for - at the end of the day it’s their body so I’m not sure they need to ‘prove’ anything if they want to alter it.

Do you think the NHS should take this approach to surgery and medical prescriptions on a wider scale?

For example, if I have been reading about thyroid hormone imbalances, and believe that this is an issue that affects me, should I be able to go in and get a prescription on demand without any tests being performed?

What if I have decided that my recurrent ankle issues mean I need ankle replacement surgery? Should I get to proceed straight to surgery, on my word alone, without anyone else assessing my ankle to see if surgery is truly the best course of action?

I think academic papers behind a Paywall are fine, there will be lots of us with openAthens accounts or similar. Though if it is the INAH3 papers by Lanvey and all the spinoffs, I believe someone has already addressed all of those in a really detailed post earlier. Also as a few others have pointed out, if brains do have dimorphic traits, but the body is unambiguously male or female, then it is really irrelevant as it just means that there is some overlap of the normal distribution curves between male and female populations. It still wouldn't back up a gendered brain in the wrong body narrative, it would just be examples of gender non conforming people unless gender non conforming controls were also compared with people with an incongruent gender Identity.... And even then it would still be the vagina havers who needed to be grouped based on their reproductive role.

And to the person who asked about brain scans to identify before surgery - interesting point. I’m not sure it’s something I’d personally advocate for - at the end of the day it’s their body so I’m not sure they need to ‘prove’ anything if they want to alter it.

Phew, thank goodness for the above. I was worried the "acceptance without question" hurdle had been bypassed, but there it is (checks watch) right on time.

I’m literally willing to pay £££ to be literally educated.

That's funny. The second report on that link completely contradicts the first one.

I'm fairly sure that lots of the posters on this thread will have institutional access to any paper you care to share

Yes absolutely. I do.

I'm fairly sure that lots of the posters on this thread will have institutional access to any paper you care to share @WeavingWandering

I’ve literally published papers on neuroscience… I’m always happy to read more because I’m a nerd but I hope I’d know my stuff at that point.

Gosh, I can't wait to read those. If you pop your publications on here I expect I can get hold of them through work without paying £££. ☺️

Well, here's one, see if you can find anything on their methodology, sample size, etc - I couldn't:

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm

I know. I made two earlier and wanted to check I did it right.

I'm literally on tenterhooks at the end of the day to hear more about how brains are made.

I’ll read the papers you have sent before passing judgement … and will try find some open source ones to support my point (since I doubt there’s any point directing people to something behind a paywall - academic papers are £££ ) But again, I’d suggest the creative education training on gender identity since it’s free and accessible! Apologies if I’m not on in straight away- nudge me if I don’t get on it.

And to the person who asked about brain scans to identify before surgery - interesting point. I’m not sure it’s something I’d personally advocate for - at the end of the day it’s their body so I’m not sure they need to ‘prove’ anything if they want to alter it.

[quote WeavingWandering]@CuriousaboutSamphire I’ve literally published papers on neuroscience… I’m always happy to read more because I’m a nerd but I hope I’d know my stuff at that point.[/quote]
Wow, so in neuroscience speak then how are brains literally made like the brain of their identified gender.

And agender? How are agender brains made, literally

I'd love to read them too please. I mean, I could easily have jumped the gun with my 'bullshit' comment just because it sounds so silly.

[quote WeavingWandering]@CuriousaboutSamphire I’ve literally published papers on neuroscience… I’m always happy to read more because I’m a nerd but I hope I’d know my stuff at that point.[/quote]
Do you use the word literally so prolifically in you publications?

Yep I’d love to read some of these papers Wandering, can you point me to them. I need to educate myself.

You have published papers on neuroscience, Wandering? Fab. Can you direct us to the evidence that supports your arguments, then?