Elliot Page undergoes “lifesaving” “top surgery”

This report seems quite nuanced.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/

'An important finding was that the incidence for observed suicide deaths was almost equally distributed over the different stages of treatment. Although the distribution showed that one‐third of the suicides occurred in people who were no longer in active treatment in our center, the other two‐third of the people who died by suicide still visited our center in the previous two years. About half of these last two‐third people were still in active diagnostic or medical treatment, while the other half completed their transition and only came for a medical check‐up. This indicates that vulnerability for suicide occurs similarly in the different stages of transition.'

As I understand that, surgery seemed to have little to no effect on suicide rates. To call it 'life saving' seems inaccurate.

I don't know who they are . Let them do what they like , they are not harming anyone.

I have been told ALL of those since I was 20 years old and my breasts were 36G! I have chronic neck and back pain because of it and over the years have been given all of those reasons. And now I am told that "at your age" it probably ins't worth it. I am 55!

Yet my transwoman friend asked , back in the 90s, and was fasttracked, even back then! Their mental health was deemed to be more fraglie than mine - odd given I was also called an hysterical woman when I cried on being told no, yet again!

Oops I meant transmen.

"Prince William has life saving nose job" (although I'm sure he wouldn't post about this on SM)

As a pp said, when it's someone in the public eye and they choose to broadcast it, its obvious that people are going to comment on it.

Trans people are more at risk of suicide and suicidal ideation if they don't get the treatment they need. That's not "perpetuating a narrative", it's just the truth.

www.researchgate.net/publication/281441727_Suicide_risk_in_the_UK_Trans_population_and_the_role_of_gender_transition_in_decreasing_suicidal_ideation_and_suicide_attempt

It's curious the froth you seem to get yourself in to about EP's surgery. It's literally none of your business.

EP has made it everyone's business by talking to the press about it. EP is a popular actor who has been in numerous things that appeal to teenagers and young adults. They are in an influential position.

Oh, and your two sentences directly contradict each other.

No they don't

The issue isn't an adult making their own decision.

The issue is that there has been a 4000+% rise in young girls claiming they're trans, and they're being told by celebrities/news outlets/charities that trans=suicidal, that if you don't get healthy body parts removed, you should feel suicidal.

Instead of crying 'transphobes', open your eyes and see how dangerous this is for young children. This is not how you discuss suicide, this is careless and fucking dangerous and it's inviting tragedy.

It's curious the froth you seem to get yourself in to about EP's surgery. It's literally none of your business.

I agree that the surgery is no-one else's business. But the dishonest reporting of the surgery and the likely effect that reporting will have on vulnerable young women is absolutely our business.

Collaborate I don't think people are particularly in a froth, I think people are rightly concerned about implying things that cause suicide. You do know that The Samaritans have rules on this that the press are expected (obliged?) to follow?

I'm not sure what you mean about my two sentences contradicting themselves, but perhaps I didn't make myself clear and we have crossed wires.

I meant that it is not especially EP' trans status that makes this irresponsible reporting.

It's curious the froth you seem to get yourself in to about EP's surgery. It's literally none of your business.

Well when they tell the world all about it then the world will have an opinion on it. ☺️ Especially with irresponsible reporting that can impact on kids. Putting it out there makes it everyone's business.

Why should Elliot Page having elective surgery generate such a response on this site? Call me daft but I am pretty certain that has been answered, a few times, upthread!

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Article on women who have 'detransitioned'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7541679/Hundreds-youths-gender-surgery-wish-hadnt-says-head-advocacy-network.html

It is all of our business if we are parents, or anyone who cares about the young people being affected by this. It is my business as a mum of a tween girl to not want to BBC to promote a mastectomy as something that a trans man needs or he will be suicidal. Given that many girls are identifying as trans boys at the moment and often then change their minds, what we do not want is to encourage suicidal thoughts and hasty mastectomies.

I’m surprised more people aren’t upset about the way the media reports on trans suicide/suicidal ideation. It seems grossly irresponsible, regardless of one’s opinion on trans issues.

There are people who manage their dysphoria with transition, people who manage it without and people who desist. I think the way suicide is referenced so often around trans people is unhealthy to say the least.

'"Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism,'

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

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I think you’d find that there would be similar outrage if any woman had this surgery, other than for actual life saving purposes (breast cancer being the obvious one).

It’s the reporting and statement that it is “life saving” surgery that is causing the outrage. Not especially that a trans person has had this surgery.[/quote]
It's curious the froth you seem to get yourself in to about EP's surgery. It's literally none of your business.

Oh, and your two sentences directly contradict each other.

It is lifesaving for a trans person.

Then it's odd that Elliot survived for so long, and was able to have a successful career, before going down this route.

It is not transphobic to point out how dangerous this reporting is. It is not attacking Elliot Page personally, and it is not being mean to people because they are trans. It is saying that to present transitioning surgery as lifesaving encourages young people who are identifying as trans in in creasing numbers, to perceive themselves as potentially suicidal if they don't get surgery. It goes directly against the advice given by people like the Samaritans who understand the sometimes contagious nature of suicidal feelings and behaviour.

If anything, this is a concern that this type of reporting causes unnecessary harm to trans people by making the more likely to start to feel suicidal even if they didn't already. And we think that is a bad thing.

That is transphobic how exactly? Please explain.