Elliot Page undergoes “lifesaving” “top surgery”

Hah!

waronwomen.substack.com/p/3rd-may-2021

[quote ArabellaScott]'"Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism,'

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885[/quote]
This study seems to have a pretty major flaw in that it didn't compare transgender people who had undergone surgery to transgender people who hadn't undergone surgery.

All it does is compare transgender people who have undergone surgery to non-transgender people, and it concludes that transgender people who have undergone surgery have a higher risk of suicide than the general population.

That's not exactly new information. We know that transgender people are one of the most vulnerable groups in society and that their mental health is particularly poor, for a huge variety of reasons.

The study also isn't even advocating against surgery - it simply says that people need better follow-up care after surgery in order to better support their mental health.

The War on Women newsletter had a link and some information on how to complain to the BBC but I have trawled back through and can't find it now. If I find it I'll post it!

Elliot found it lifesaving - ie from his perspective it saved his life. That is all.

I don’t think you need to read anything more into it than that OP.

A mental health problem that is so severe that only surgery will alleviate it? Right.

I could understand if the report was something like "Elliott Page described the surgery as 'lifesaving'", but to just present it as uncontested fact seems very odd. I'm not sure even psychiatric medication is routinely described that way, even though it certainly can be. Again it would be reported along the lines of "so-and-so credits the medication with saving their life", surely?

I've tried over 30 years and 3 different PCTs. I am just unlucky I suppose!

And yes, I was. And yes, I did formally complain and was told he was going through a hard time in his personal life and I should, effectively, be nice! Still got no further with getting surgery though!

For absolute fuck's sake.

Of course, this thread will be gone in a couple of hours, and MN and its denizens can stick to their narrative that there is 'no transphobia here'.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

*And we, women, get turned down for it because we are told that "They are natural" "It won't be that bad" "Don't let this thing change you" "You look fine just as you are"" We don't fund cosmetic surgery"

I have been told ALL of those since I was 20 years old and my breasts were 36G! I have chronic neck and back pain because of it and over the years have been given all of those reasons. And now I am told that "at your age" it probably ins't worth it. I am 55!

Yet my transwoman friend asked , back in the 90s, and was fasttracked, even back then! Their mental health was deemed to be more fraglie than mine - odd given I was also called an hysterical woman when I cried on being told no, yet again!*

Sorry about your experience.

However my (non trans) friend was able to get a breast reduction on the NHS for mental and physical health reasons and didn't experience any of the things that you have.

That is a problem with the postcode lottery of the NHS and perhaps poor physicians that you have come across.

Did you really get called a "hysterical woman" by an NHS physician? What was the outcome of the complaint that you put in?

In blurred= unblurred

I get that some people don't care what is reported in the press, great for them, but I think many of the posters here know how influential EP is on the young people we love and care for and can see that this headline is not helpful.

That's basically where we're coming from. Is that so bad?

This was my first thought. Press publishing photos of an in blurred topless female. How is this ok? Is it ok because of how the persons identifies or is it ok because they have had some breast tissue removed? In which case can I identify as a man today and go topless on TV? Or if it’s a breast tissue issue, how much breast tissue do I need to remove to be able to have my bare torso published unblurred in the press? What are the parameters?

Speaking from my time exploring this whole issue and my feelings /identity

Given if you have any trans tendencies the whole concept of suicide is spoon fed to you , I would suggest that the suicide ideation is high because you are taught to talk about it

A better test might be " how much is suicide rates in children reducing now we have much better( ha ha ) support for these children

And the answer is that pre covid it was rising

Which then leads us to ask why

[quote nancywhitehead]Trans people are more at risk of suicide and suicidal ideation if they don't get the treatment they need. That's not "perpetuating a narrative", it's just the truth.

www.researchgate.net/publication/281441727_Suicide_risk_in_the_UK_Trans_population_and_the_role_of_gender_transition_in_decreasing_suicidal_ideation_and_suicide_attempt[/quote]
What is 'treatment' here, though? That could be anything from counselling to a full phalloplasty. We're discussing the impact of surgery, specifically.

I am not sure if the story has been updated but the headline doesn't refer to "life saving" and the article now specifically says that he said it was life saving for him.

As someone who had breast surgery (reduction) 20 years ago and for whom it was genuinely life changing, I can understand the hyperbole. But agree with OP, routinely reporting on this sort of thing as life changing embeds this idea that being trans ALSO comes with suicidal thoughts that MUST be acted on if the trans person does not fin d a way to get the body they want. And that seems very harmful to me.

@OnWednesdaysWeWearMink I don't think you are going to get that message through! IThe double standards is amzing - and that is just how Stonewall finagled it!

Lifesaving?

Jesus fucking Christ. We really are plumbing the depths now.

Suicide myth.

^www.transgendertrend.com/the-suicide-myth/^