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Creating a case to request that my employers status as Stonewall Champion be reviewed

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JustcameoutGC · 24/05/2021 22:31

I think now might be the time to formally request that my employer reviews our status as a Stonewall Champion.

I need your hive viper mind to help build the case.

So, I think I will start with pointing out recent developments

  1. Discrimination lawyer has declared advice given by SW to Essex Uni, to be unlawful, leading to restrictions on freedom of speech on an academic campus.

Question to the vipers, do we have any evidence of the teaching of biology at uni being impacted by gender ideology? That would be handy.

  1. SW have hidden the list of champions on their website, should this worry us?

  2. The EHRC have severed their links with DW, again, is this cause for concern?

  3. SW have released a new strategy which clearly positions them as a campaigning political organisation. Some of their aims have the potential to clash with the rights and protections of other protected groups such as women and vulnerable groups such as children. Is it appropriate to have some of our internal HR policies dictated by an external political organisation?

  4. By focusing so much on SW have we lost focus on other groups

Anything else I should add? Anyone else done this successfully?

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Leafstamp · 25/05/2021 06:50

You could mention their questionable definitions, especially trans being an umbrella term that includes cross dressers.

Put with their other guidance, this means that Steve from IT can put on some floaty trousers and blouse and can join you in the ladies toilets.

www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/faqs-and-glossary/glossary-terms

FindTheTruth · 25/05/2021 06:48

Another point is all the work, time and money involved to produce risky unequal policies.

Rights may not be pie, but time, attention, energy and money most definitely are pie. If managers are pouring hours of their time into drafting and implementing Trans Equality Policies that meet with Stonewall’s approval, that’s time they won’t have spent on sex, disability, age, race, religion or belief.

legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/02/01/submission-and-compliance/

A number of champions have no “Sex Equality Policy,” no “Disability Equality Policy,” no “Race Equality Policy,” no “Religion or Belief Equality Policy.” There isn’t even a general “LGBT Equality Policy.” But do have a special “Trans Equality Policy.”

FindTheTruth · 25/05/2021 06:40

You could say that some gay men and lesbians are worried by the Stonewall homophobia as employees in the Stonewall champion scheme.

Jo Bartosch article

archive.is/GCub0

Stonewall is finally paying the price for turning its back on gay men and lesbians
The LGBT charity has strayed far from its core purpose, alienating large numbers of people in the process

ThursdayWeld · 24/05/2021 23:19

"Stonewall offers dodgy advice, that has been shown to be illegal" - or words to that effect!

Appeal to your company's self interest - they are putting themselves at risk of legal action if they take Stonewall's advice.

aliasundercover · 24/05/2021 23:17

You should include that the EHRC don't think Stonewall are worth the money.
Your company could get advice free from many other organisations, and make up its own 'LGBT friendly' logo. What are they actually getting for their steep fee?

HerewardTheWoke · 24/05/2021 22:58

No experience of this, but you could also point out that Stonewall campaign for the single-sex exceptions in the Equality Act 2010 to be repealed (they gave written evidence calling for this to the Women and Equalities Select Committee in 2015).

These are the parts of the Act which give providers the right to offer single-sex spaces, and, as such, by actively seeking to abolish this provision, Stonewall are taking a position which is in direct conflict with women's established rights to privacy and dignity. It is not appropriate to have an org which is campaigning against the rights of groups with protected characteristics advising on internal policy.

Good luck. I'm going to be challenging my own org's membership when I get the right moment.

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