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Mixed feelings young "transmen" cutting themselves off from womanhood

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howtocomplain · 24/05/2021 21:48

I just caught up with an old friend, and it turns out her 19 year old DD is identifying as a man. I saw several pictures of her child, who is using a male male and he/him or they/them pronouns, but still wearing a lot of feminine clothes and still wears makeup. All that seems to have changed since they came out, is this young person has died their hair bright colours and is dressing more alternative / punkish.

This young person is in a relationship with a young (biological) man and they say that they're gay.

On the one hand I recognise young people like to push boundaries and experiment, but on the other hand I feel there's something really sinister about society encouraging young women to cut themselves off from feminism and sisterhood by denying they're even female.

And I must admit I'm not happy with the idea of them calling themselves a gay couple, I feel it's a fucking insult to actual gay people and a trivialisation of what so many gay people have endured. These two are never going to be subjected to homophobic abuse or have to deal with discrimination for being gay, are they, as they plainly look like a heterosexual couple.

I don't know if this young person is taking hormones. I hope not.

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PermanentTemporary · 24/05/2021 22:59

I don't think pushing young women to feel a strong sense of 'sisterhood' makes it less likely that they will identify as men. It can take a long time for women to find their place in the world, they have to find their own selves first.

I agree entirely that this isn't a gay couple and it's fairly insulting to gay men who've suffered in the past to call themselves that. I guess we should be glad that they don't have any real concept of what homophobia used to be like.

EishetChayil · 24/05/2021 22:56

@hoodwatch

if they both identify as male then they are gay. I'm confused as to why that's so difficult to grasp. Also confused as to why you care so much. Trans or non-binary, if someone doesn't identify with "womanhood" it doesn't mean they can't still be a feminist
It kind of does though...
hoodwatch · 24/05/2021 22:53

if they both identify as male then they are gay. I'm confused as to why that's so difficult to grasp. Also confused as to why you care so much. Trans or non-binary, if someone doesn't identify with "womanhood" it doesn't mean they can't still be a feminist

jeaux90 · 24/05/2021 22:50

I think the PP was making a wry joke. If they consider themselves a gay couple there would be no need for contraception right?

howtocomplain · 24/05/2021 22:46

Contraception? Why? I would imagine they know how to use contraception by 19!

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midgedude · 24/05/2021 22:16

I'd be more worried about contraception

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