Mixed feelings young "transmen" cutting themselves off from womanhood

Sadly, I can present however I like, but the chances are my shape, small hands and feet, heart-shaped face etc are going to mean that I appear female and will probably be treated accordingly.

In the case of this couple, I don't know what to say really. I can understand why they'd describe themselves as a "queer couple", but I don't think they'd have that much in common with most gay male couples — for a start neither would have experienced homophobic bullying at school, or felt out of step with their peers for their sexuality.

All the posts on here ‘joking’ about trans people and implying that they don’t know if they can get pregnant or not.... crass and hugely transphobic

I have come across several young transwomen who did actually think it might be possible to get pregnant. It's hardly surprising really when considering the mixed messages young people are getting.
Now that's not very funny is it. It's really quite serious. And people need to be aware on how these messages are impacting on on young people. It's not transphobia. It's basic safeguards. And it needs to be talked about openly and freely.

The rage that drips of some of these posts at the very existence of trans people.

Trans people, no.

Trans Ideology, yes.

An ideology that rewrites your identity in a way that denies your experience and undermines your legal rights, denounces you as being full of hatred when you object, and attempts to make organising politically to challenge it a hate crime does tend to get ones back up.

Why categories?
Why not treat people on merit?
Just a thought

And you wonder why young women don’t want to be in the same category as you....

There's plenty of young women who are also gender critical.

All the posts on here ‘joking’ about trans people and implying that they don’t know if they can get pregnant or not.... crass and hugely transphobic.

It feels like whenever anyone posts here about their own children or close friends who are expressing trans-ness, how little curiosity there is here to understand that experience, How little support or openness, how fast it descends into an excuse to give trans people a kicking. The rage that drips of some of these posts at the very existence of trans people.

And you wonder why young women don’t want to be in the same category as you....

Yes Melroses I also used to identify as male. As they were allowed to do and behave in ways that suited me better

As I increasingly realised it made no difference at all, sexists are sexist because of your physical body and don't care about you as a person

Quite funny now however in that the organisation I work for wants more women because diversity brings benefits and I don't understand how me being a woman makes any difference to the work I do or how I do it

Now before this thread was sidelined by someone sulking about a deletion where were we?

Lgb is about sexuality and therefore can exist snd have issues different to the T

T being about gender not sex

Not all t people will be lgb

You have some warped ideas

they're all transphobic sue me

A lot of these comments minimalising and trivialising peoples gender identity and struggles, the purposeful mid-gendering, comparing trans people to pedophiles and vegans (?) excluding trans people using LBG without the T, sarcastic comments poking fun, etc etc

None of your examples are transphobic. Being gender critical is a protected belief. Harrassment is obviously not acceptable towards transpeople, but that goes both ways. And the way you are accusing women of women of being transphobic when they are simply exercising their legal freedom to discuss this is bordering on harrassment from yourself. You would be well advised to consider your own behaviour from a legal perspective.

I am quite sure that is anyone compared a trans person to a paedo then they would get deleted if not a suspension

but hate speech isn't "accusing someone of being transphobic wrongly" lol so to have my comments removed feels like a violation of my freedom of speech thanks

A lot of these comments minimalising and trivialising peoples gender identity and struggles, the purposeful mid-gendering, comparing trans people to pedophiles and vegans (?) excluding trans people using LBG without the T, sarcastic comments poking fun, etc etc

“female man or male man”

“this identification denies….coasts on ignorance and solipsism”

“Ask them how they would feel about female people in dresses and makeup coming to their bars and clubs with their boyfriends and expecting to be treated as a cross dressing man.”

“Well done trans warriors….”

“Not everyone is welcome”

“…have to find another fashion to cling on to as this one is going the way of the emo, but leaving a lot more damage in its wake”

“Do you agree that as Stephonknee identifies as a six-year-old girl…” (this whole argument comparing transgender people to pedophiles)

“i feel very sad when I hear about transmen. It is so anti-feminist”

“People who buy into gender ideology are generally confused I find.”

“They are a heterosexual couple or maybe pan-sexual but they are definitely not gay”

“No, they are a heterosexual couple parasiting off homophobia to claim victimhood as a tool to control others”

“Appropriation of oppression. They are privileged enough to be able to claim to be the most oppressed”

“”I believe a lot of fangirls are suddenly trans now, they want to get away with fetishizing homosexuality without getting called homophobes." “

“your 'progressive' movement is driving human rights backwards”

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You could just pretend that you are using a condom, and that’s why she isn’t getting pregnant. That would work.

It would work even better if you were to go to the pharmacy and buy some condoms. If you wanted to save money, you could buy re-useable ones.

Even cheaper, you could just pretend she’s on the pill.

And cheaper still, you could pretend that although you identify as a man you are actually both women, so she can’t actually get pregnant”

“Read a little on where it said that the supposed pregnant man had been born female.

'So not a man becoming pregnant', said my OH.

OH has a science background, so doesn't get confused as easily as some other people about these sort of things”

“How anyone 'identifies' is immaterial”

“Condoms are sooo transphobic”

in my opinion, in my freedom of speech, they have made transphobic comments and statements. That is not hate speech

Which comments?

Your opinion it was transphobic, in someone else's opinion you were being hateful accusing someone falsly

A good practise is to stick to facts and avoid insults

The women here aren't transphobes though. So what's the point of your comment? A bit random no?

i literally said "i don't care about the concerns of transphobes"

that's not hate speech. unless you think transphobic people are an oppressed or at-risk group in society.

If you were saying that in reply to someone you are accusing them , falsely or you would just get thier post deleted , of hate incident

"Transphobia is a collection of ideas and phenomena that encompass a range of negative attitudes, feelings or actions towards transgender people or transness in general"

if that doesn't describe a lot of what I have read on this thread and this website in general then idk what to say

If everyone here can have the opinion that trans people aren't valid, poke fun and smart ass comments about their reproductive systems and sexual activity, trivialise their struggles and issues and that ISNT hate speech, but me saying I don't care about the opinions of transphobes is?

i don't care about the concerns of transphobes

i don't care about the concerns of homophobes

i don't care about the concerns of racists

i don't care about the concerns of misogynists

i don't care about the concerns of islamaphobes.

all this hate speech too?