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How to (re)approach Headteacher (re: trans ideology)?

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therestissilence · 24/05/2021 19:02

Advice needed so that I can act effectively and carefully. Context: small independent primary school, Catholic but not exclusive.

Two years ago, I arranged a meeting with the Head, armed with some TransgenderTrend literature; I wanted to see what her attitudes were towards the trans trend. At the time there were no kids in the school who thought they were trans. As I was telling her what has been going on in many other schools - and in wider society - she looked a little bit like she thought I was crazy, and responded with the (perhaps) naive 'well we won't be having any of that nonsense in this school'. I left her with the literature, nevertheless.

Lo and behold, a year 5 girl has emerged from lockdown (too much time on the internet?) saying she's a boy. She has a new name, has ditched the school uniform (which is very 'gendered' in our school for both the boys and girls) and wears PE kit everyday. Other parents have said their daughters have been distressed because when they 'accidentally' refer to her as 'her', or 'she' , the girl turns on them and calls them transphobic. It must be so confusing for them. I am extremely heartened, however, to hear that the teachers are still referring to the girl correctly - and seem not to be over-indulging her.

However, if the Head starts seeking advice, she could end up getting advice from the wrong people (such as Stonewall, GOD FORBID).

Now that she knows I'm NOT crazy, how might I re-approach her, in order to nudge her in the right and sane direction? I'm asking because I've already raised this once, and don't want to come across as bullish by requesting a second meeting.

Thankfully, my own daughter is in Y1, so will have minimal exposure to the mind-fuckery going on in Y5. However, I think it is a critical time for the school; they are facing their first 'case' and no doubt policies are being formulated as I type.

Advice?

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Overdueanamechange · 25/05/2021 12:32

Wow @Helmetbymidnight - talk about emotive twisting!!

Fernlake · 25/05/2021 12:30

@Overdueanamechange

This is much more complicated than it needs to be. All that happened in my child's CATHOLIC school was that the teacher had a quick word with the kids. She told them "Fred" would now like to be called "Anna", and please refer to Anna as she, her. Anna would not be changing in the girls changing rooms, but would instead use the single cubicle toilets. Everyone is fine, no one is confused, and Anna's mental health and behaviour is significantly better. The sports are mixed at their school anyway BTW (unless you are in a special team) so no appropriation. Some kids and teachers in this Catholic school are openly gay and teach tolerance and understanding.
Apart from anything else, children will have questions, you know. Dozens of them.

And judging by the years of experience on this board, there will be no satisfactory answers.

Overdueanamechange · 25/05/2021 12:30

Gosh you sound very judgemental @Justhadathought. These are teens at senior school. No one is being narcissistic, no one is getting a "head fuck" as you delightfully call it, everyone is just respecting the fact that a boy has taken on a girls name and female pronouns. It really is just that. This child's behaviour and mental health was dire before the announcement. As I already said, there is no appropriation and girls still have their female only toilets and changing rooms.

Helmetbymidnight · 25/05/2021 12:24

She told them "Fred" would now like to be called "Anna", and please refer to Anna as she, her.

At your school, they teach the children that what is in someone's head over-rides everyone else's material reality?

At your school, do they insist on compelling children to lie in general - or is it only concerning sex?

Justhadathought · 25/05/2021 12:17

This is much more complicated than it needs to be. All that happened in my child's CATHOLIC school was that the teacher had a quick word with the kids. She told them "Fred" would now like to be called "Anna", and please refer to Anna as she, her. Anna would not be changing in the girls changing rooms, but would instead use the single cubicle toilets. Everyone is fine, no one is confused, and Anna's mental health and behaviour is significantly better. The sports are mixed at their school anyway BTW (unless you are in a special team) so no appropriation. Some kids and teachers in this Catholic school are openly gay and teach tolerance and understanding

Except what you are suggesting as 'non complicated' involves the whole school having to go along with a pretence, and for young, developing minds to be exposed to such a ridiculous head fuck is confusing, and needless.

The child and the family can keep everything non-complicated by not imposing this private matter on everyone else. It is the height of narcissistic indulgence.

Overdueanamechange · 25/05/2021 12:10

This is much more complicated than it needs to be. All that happened in my child's CATHOLIC school was that the teacher had a quick word with the kids. She told them "Fred" would now like to be called "Anna", and please refer to Anna as she, her. Anna would not be changing in the girls changing rooms, but would instead use the single cubicle toilets. Everyone is fine, no one is confused, and Anna's mental health and behaviour is significantly better. The sports are mixed at their school anyway BTW (unless you are in a special team) so no appropriation. Some kids and teachers in this Catholic school are openly gay and teach tolerance and understanding.

andyoldlabour · 25/05/2021 12:06

Justhadathought

Thanks for the correction, I am too old for this year 5 stuff Grin

oldwomanwhoruns · 25/05/2021 12:05

Good luck OP Flowers you sound absolutely on the right track.

Could you 'lend' the Head your copy of Irreversible Damage? (Buy a copy if you don't own one, could be £10 well worth spending!).

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 25/05/2021 12:05

@Justhadathought well said- I agree with all of your posts.

You mentioned social contagion and I agree so much with this.

Justhadathought · 25/05/2021 12:02

I would be very concerned about how a 5 year old child knows the word transphobic (particularly as they would have been isolated in lockdown for a long time), where has that come from

It is a year 5 child......about 9/10 years old.

andyoldlabour · 25/05/2021 12:00

I would be very concerned about how a 5 year old child knows the word transphobic (particularly as they would have been isolated in lockdown for a long time), where has that come from?

Justhadathought · 25/05/2021 11:58

Anyway, I'm out. This isn't sensible discourse, I only commented because I felt sorry for the Head Teacher who has to deal with this nonsense

You don't know the head, nor her relationship with parents. It seems that before this incident the head was pretty much oblivious. Being a small, independent school - she had not before been exposed to this sort of circumstance.

Justhadathought · 25/05/2021 11:55

I Think you're crossing a line when you start talking about an individual child rather than a concept. This kid has nothing to do with you. Its between the child, its parents and the school

The line has been crossed when letters are sent home to parents telling them about the potential impacts that just one child, in their small school, will have on their whole community.

And the line has most definitely been crossed when other children are having nonsense ideas and unnatural speech impressed upon them on the basis of the indulgence of one child and her family.

what the parents and the child do or say at home is their business. Once it gets imposed upon the whole school, it becomes everyone's business.

Justhadathought · 25/05/2021 11:50

Anything more substantial? What policies would you like the school to have re trans kids

The Transgender Trend school pack is most helpful in this regard.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/05/2021 11:49

Here you are OP. It's a long read but it shows what happens when an unwell parent decides that her son is "trans" and despite all the evidence that the boy was not, is enabled by numerous professionals who immediately affirmed him as a girl.
It was the school ( and some others) who kept raising concerns about this and in the end the mother lost custody as the judge deemed her forcing this little boy to present as a girl was emotionally abusive. He was very critical of all the professionals who unthinkingly enabled the mother's abuse to continue:

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

Fernlake · 25/05/2021 11:49

@BilindaB

ROGD is not recognized by any major professional association.
An increase in 4000% of kids at the Tavistock, 76 children coming out as trans in one school, 10 girls coming out in the same class at a famous London girls school.

It's called rapid onset gender dysphoria. Ray Blanchard, who published the typology of HSTS and AGP individuals, talks about it at length.

4thwavenow.com/tag/ray-blanchard/

Plus, of course, there are very many parents on this site alone who are concerned about the current social contagion.

It's incredibly important to ascertain how your child's school deals with it.

(Hopefully, by taking the opposite tack to your post, which would apparently seek to minimise it.)

Justhadathought · 25/05/2021 11:45

I wouldn't worry too much. Catholic school. They are going to be anti Queer by default, so will reinforce stereotypes until the poor kid leaves and goes to somewhere welcoming I would expect

That's is rather a sweeping and dismissive portrayal. Though not Catholic myself I have taught at numerous catholic schools, and they are simply not as you portray them. There is often a strong community- family type ethos and a celebratory atmosphere.

Justhadathought · 25/05/2021 11:40

FFS! I think a headteacher is more than capable of doing their own research on the matter

You have no idea about the school in question, or the headteacher and her relationship with parents. It is clearly a close knit school.

Justhadathought · 25/05/2021 11:37

This is not your child and does not even concern your child. I'm going to say the same thing to you that I say to the young children I teach. I would suggest you worry about yourself and your family instead of someone else

This impacts on every child in the school, and especially in such a small school; certainly when the whole school community has to be instructed on how to behave around, and how to think/talk about, the child in question. The OP has every reason for concern.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/05/2021 11:34

Well done OP. Respectful discussions about these issues (as modelled earlier on the thread) is the way to go.
It's great that you kept the discussions away from the specific child. In my experience of schools dealing with this issue Heads often get understandably over-invested parents of a specific child pushing them in the direction of Stonewall / Mermaids / Gires etc resulting in the implications for all children being abandoned as well as a vulnerable child being locked into an immediately affirming situation in primary school.

There's an interesting court judgement that demonstrates what can happen to very young children being unthinkingly affirmed by professionals. Off to search for it.

BilindaB · 25/05/2021 11:34

ROGD is not recognized by any major professional association.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 25/05/2021 11:28

[quote DifferentHair]@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind actually I think throwing about notions of child protection is seems to be the favoured way to derail an argument and force an agenda on this thread.

Anyway, I'm out. This isn't sensible discourse, I only commented because I felt sorry for the Head Teacher who has to deal with this nonsense.

Biscuit[/quote]
Usually when people want to shove  in a post they are very interested in sensible discourse.

@therestissilence I think you've had a good response from the head- well done for starting the conversation! If you can please do update, would be great to see how you get on

therestissilence · 25/05/2021 11:12

@Fernlake

Thank you.

Well, she's given me an opening to talk about the wider issues I think, and I will certainly be mentioning the ROGD (social) phenomena, and children's safeguarding and boundaries, amongst other things. Going to spend some time on my response. I think it will be worthwhile briefly mentioning Keira Bell and Maya Forstater (oh God, I could go on) so that she can see how deeply this ideology has rooted in, without most people noticing at all.

It's so obvious, isn't it, that all one has to do is open one's eyes for one moment and see what is happening (which she saw in the material I gave her), to cut through the crap and see the bloody light of day. I'm so pleased she wants to hear more.

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Fernlake · 25/05/2021 10:57

@therestissilence

Thank you all for the advice! I emailed the Head, and she's just responded thanking me, saying she has already spent an hour or so reading the Transgender Trend material and is saving it for reference! (I also directed her to SSA). She is now asking, out of curiosity, where my interest in this subject has come from.

My goodness - it will be hard to keep my reply brief!

This is the best I could have hoped for at this point. Thank you everyone!

Well done.

Does she realise that ROGD is a real worry for parents? And children's boundaries being respected? The idea that it doesn't involve all the other parents/children in the school is simply not true.

Fernlake · 25/05/2021 10:54

[quote DifferentHair]@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind actually I think throwing about notions of child protection is seems to be the favoured way to derail an argument and force an agenda on this thread.

Anyway, I'm out. This isn't sensible discourse, I only commented because I felt sorry for the Head Teacher who has to deal with this nonsense.

Biscuit[/quote]
How can child protection and safeguarding derail the argument, when it is the argument? 🙄