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BBC EHRC leaves stonewall scheme front page news

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NiceGerbil · 23/05/2021 20:21

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57219989

BBC front page on website.

'Human rights body leaves Stonewall diversity scheme'

Crikey things are changing.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/05/2021 23:01

I'm assuming that this change at the EHRC is part of a new government policy to quietly reduce the impact that identity politics has had. The continued silence from MPs of all parties in the face of some awful treatment of women and children has been depressing.
BUT, recent election results, the Keira Bell case about the use of unethical medicine on children, the cancelling of free speech in universities etc has shown the government what a vote loser all this is. They won't take on Stonewall etc - the optics will look too bad. But I bet they cut off the lucrative government £££ and remove much of the influence of all these groups. Fingers crossed.

OvaHere · 23/05/2021 22:57

@NiceGerbil

Does anyone know how and why the boss at the ehrc was changed to someone who would have this totally different approach and talk about things rather than change things quietly in the background?
No idea but there has been a general fear that a post Brexit Tory majority government will attempt to undo/replace the EqA.

How likely this is I don't know but anything that makes the EqA look like it isn't working/fit for purpose and makes the EHRC look a bit useless when faced with conflict significantly weakens their position.

This could be a bid for longer term survival.

NiceGerbil · 23/05/2021 22:44

Does anyone know how and why the boss at the ehrc was changed to someone who would have this totally different approach and talk about things rather than change things quietly in the background?

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aliasundercover · 23/05/2021 22:41

No mention in the Guardian yet. Must not be an important enough story.

NiceGerbil · 23/05/2021 22:38

I would imagine that what will happen is

Other orgs keep working in the background. There's loads apart from stonewall who are talking to schools, govt depts, etc etc

They will all cut stonewall loose publically and denounce them in some way. And then carry on.

I don't get the feeling there will be much loyalty on this.

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TheHandmadeTail · 23/05/2021 22:35

I didn’t think this kind of thing would make front page news iyswim? Obviously I think it’s very important but I’m pleasantly surprised the BBC think so too (even setting aside their bias etc).

TropicalFairyCake · 23/05/2021 22:25

Wow. Impressed and surprised. I thought bbc was full on other direction (after womans hour etc )

Voice0fReason · 23/05/2021 22:17

This is really good news.
Slowly but surely, organisations are starting to realise that involvement with Stonewall is a liability.

GlassBoxSpectacular · 23/05/2021 21:50

I thought exactly the same regarding the prominence of this on the BBC news page: very out of keeping with the BBC’s usual reporting in this area.

It definitely feels significant. It’s a fairly anodyne article, but it certainly seems to be prompting readers to wonder if ‘value for money’ was the primary/only concern.

Very interesting indeed. I wonder what’s coming next.

rogdmum · 23/05/2021 21:50

Also on the news here at 20:24

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcnews

NiceGerbil · 23/05/2021 21:48

A fair few orgs even ones with money have quietly backed away.

Someone at one org told me the evidence and paperwork etc was incredibly heavy. And that they were having to spend... Can't quite remember. half or a full person for 3 months or something to get it together every year. And so they had stopped.

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AnyOldPrion · 23/05/2021 21:39

Members pay Stonewall a fee and allow it to vet their internal policies, such as who can use their toilets and changing facilities.

Love this! They make it sound utterly mundane!

I suspect the more attractive product was actually reputation. The scheme was so popular, that not signing up was perhaps seen as odd and could lead to rumours of phobic attitudes.

And, it would appear from the recent University revelations that such access allowed Stonewall to promote their version of the law, or (as I’ve seen in person from my own professional body, as another example of their reach) social media policies that centred protection of “trans-identity” instead of “a process of gender reassignment” and missed out sex altogether, replacing it with “gender”, an action that would definitely have a chilling effect on freedom of speech of women who are critical of transactivism..

And once that valuable product of “reputation” begins to look a bit threadbare, it becomes apparent that the actual product sold can be described in very banal terms indeed.

Thanks BBC. Finally!

NiceGerbil · 23/05/2021 20:37

This one?

'EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.'

I have read some of that- I think that it front page news on BBC and includes about incorrect advice to Essex, is front page news in itself!

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NiceGerbil · 23/05/2021 20:36

Oh sorry I looked and didn't see another one! I'll go to that one if it's busier Smile

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stumbledin · 23/05/2021 20:29

Didn't see this thread. Just posted that on the other thread.