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Kathleen Stock OBE: Trans Women Aren't Women : A discussion

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Childrenofthestones · 23/05/2021 13:57

It's a view held by most people, so why has it become so controversial to state that trans women aren't women? On this episode of "So What You're Saying Is..." (#SWYI) we are joined by Prof. Kathleen Stock OBE, professor of philosophy at the University of Sussex and author of the best-selling book: "Material Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism".

Prof. Stock discusses the issues of sex vs. gender and gender identity, and explains how trans activists, arguing that gender is psychological not physical, now claim that womanhood & manhood are genders in a social, rather than biological, sense.

She discusses the possible motives for Stonewall's decision to become so actively involved in trans rights, as well as the vilification of its outspoken critics such as Germaine Greer and Julie Bindell. Prof. Stock has herself been the target of campaigns to silence, cancel and no platform.

Prof. Stock also discusses the negative impact the more extreme trans rights positions are having on women (changing rooms, public toilets, prisons etc.) as well as the young, and gays & lesbians.

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Caaarrrl · 23/05/2021 17:59

@ValancyRedfern

Looking at all the names involved and desperately trying to find any connections to blenders...
Me too! Didn't find one though...
ValancyRedfern · 23/05/2021 17:56

Looking at all the names involved and desperately trying to find any connections to blenders...

NecessaryScene1 · 23/05/2021 17:55

also your name sounds like a blender

He's just going to leave that hanging, and we'll looking back in 10 years time, still wondering what that meant.

This could be the most psychologically damaging tactic yet attempted in this battle.

Caaarrrl · 23/05/2021 17:52

Complicated not comically

Caaarrrl · 23/05/2021 17:51

@alankermode

hey there's loads of proof also y'all have changed your views since 77 or your hair cuts you lots are weirdly obsessed with something that will do no harm also your name sounds like a blender
Yes that's a very compelling argument about this comically, in-depth and serious topic. Thank you for your contribution.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 23/05/2021 17:51

@alankermode

hey there's loads of proof also y'all have changed your views since 77 or your hair cuts you lots are weirdly obsessed with something that will do no harm also your name sounds like a blender
Huh? Whilst I am sure that last part made sense to you when you typed it, it is utterly bereft of any sense from this end!

And you might want to have a look round this particular site, women's rights by women for women and all that! We aren't really impressed by the facile 'it won't hurt you hun!' postings of people who haven't taken the time to actually listen and to take information in - too busy broadcasting their words of unintelligible wisdom!

allmywhat · 23/05/2021 17:51

I interpreted the rest of it, I think: the grammar fails; the missing negative; the deep confusion about what views and haircuts looked like in 1977; and the warped TRA definition of harm (if a woman gets raped, it's a statistic, if a man gets his feelings hurt, it's a tragedy.) But I fell at the last hurdle on the blender thing.

aliasundercover · 23/05/2021 17:50

hey there's loads of proof also y'all have changed your views since 77 or your hair cuts you lots are weirdly obsessed with something that will do no harm also your name sounds like a blender

As always on FWR, but especially today, there have been dozens of great posts. However the above, despite the strong competition, is my favourite. If that doesn't convince us nothing will.

allmywhat · 23/05/2021 17:47

@alankermode

hey there's loads of proof also y'all have changed your views since 77 or your hair cuts you lots are weirdly obsessed with something that will do no harm also your name sounds like a blender
Grin Grin Grin

How the hell did it get to this stage when this is what we're up against?

also your name sounds like a blender

hold on a second, what?

alankermode · 23/05/2021 17:38

hey there's loads of proof also y'all have changed your views since 77 or your hair cuts you lots are weirdly obsessed with something that will do no harm also your name sounds like a blender

HidingUnderARock · 23/05/2021 17:33

Thank you for posting this.
She is so measured and calm and factual.

MidsomerMurmurs · 23/05/2021 17:00

trans activists, arguing that gender is psychological not physical, now claim that womanhood & manhood are genders in a social, rather than biological, sense

It’s even more tangled than that though, isn’t it? Trans activists argue that ‘gender’ actually is physiological (which is what annoys those of us who thought we’d left notions about ‘lady brains’ behind decades ago). In fact, they argue that sex is socially constructed! I remember a couple of years ago, Evan Davies on PM interviewing a well known Canadian cyclist who got very heated about that and Evan was just baffled.

GCmiddle · 23/05/2021 16:45

This is an excellent video - short, sweet and to the point. 30 mins of common sense and eloquence.

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