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EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.

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Novina · 23/05/2021 00:35

Has anyone else seen this? From Sex Matters:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/press-release-equality-and-human-rights-commission-cuts-ties-with-stonewall

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CriticalCondition · 23/05/2021 12:59

Perhaps Stonewall's media team should have a think about Point 13 of the Reindorf report on Essex University's fiasco which recommended that social media should not be delegated to junior staff or interns.

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 23/05/2021 12:48

Yep

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 23/05/2021 12:46

Hecates

DARVO in action

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 23/05/2021 12:43

Now they've gone on the attack. We've done nothing wrong, everyone is out to get us! They don't seem to know how to do anything else...

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1396424940702818304?s=21

EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.
EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.
cakedays · 23/05/2021 12:38

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Stonewall just listed this twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1396374101988569091?s=09

I'm not really sure they want to be highlighting this to all of their followers? Confused

Ugh! "u ok hun?" A line straight from the Tumblr feeds of teenagers. These organisations really need to rein in the kiddies they employ to run their social media.

Do they just not get that to actual adults that tweet just reads as juvenile and ridiculous? Your organisation is getting some significant negative press in the national broadsheets and you think an appropriate response is "you're being creepy", for all the world as if you're talking about your mum coming in and telling you to tidy up your bedroom?

Christ, we desperately need grown ups to take charge of our public discourse and let's hope the EHRC letter is the start of that.

Leafstamp · 23/05/2021 12:38

Thank you to nauticant and others for archiving the evidence.

AfternoonToffee · 23/05/2021 12:36

They really need to channel their inner Ronan Keating.

"You say it best when you say nothing at all."

RedDogsBeg · 23/05/2021 12:36

They couldn't legitimately do that whilst being part of the champions scheme though.

The EHRC left the Stonewall Diversity Scheme at the end of March 2021.

The EHRC intervened in Maya Forstater's Appeal at the end of April 2021.

Coincidence?

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titchy · 23/05/2021 12:24

@Tibtom

Barracker I disagree because precisely who this organisation is and the role they play. EHRC are precisely the ones who should be holding Stonewall to account. They are the ones who should be funding Maya's court action and Allison's too. They should be out there saying 'Stonewall's training misrepresents the law and following their edicts for their champions scheme is contrary to your public sector equality duty.'. That is what EHRC is for.
They couldn't legitimately do that whilst being part of the champions scheme though.
nauticant · 23/05/2021 12:21

For when Nancy Kelley quietly deletes her retweet:

archive.fo/wip/baTvq

Cleanandpress · 23/05/2021 12:17

Given how badly written and and inappropriate the letter from Stonewall's Trans Inclusion Director to Garden Court Chambers about Allison, this tweet doesn't surprise me at all. They seem to hire young inexperienced single issue people who are then given a free hand to act without any governance.

ProudExclu · 23/05/2021 12:16

Load of shit* not kid of shit lmao.

NecessaryScene1 · 23/05/2021 12:16

Isn't this a distillation of queer theory? Everything and everybody is accepted.

I think we need Mr Garrison to explain this:

part 1:
part 2:

ProudExclu · 23/05/2021 12:15

@WeeTorag I’d just been reading this to my partner and he literally said the same as you and he thinks it will happen now. Especially with lockdown lifting. One thing I think has given the TRAs a false perception and confidence is that we’ve all essentially been living online.

Having left my abusive trans ex it’s only with social restrictions lifting that I’ve realised the world I got dragged into was a kid of shit and doesn’t exist beyond their woke Facebook groups.

BettyFilous · 23/05/2021 12:15

@WineAcademy

I think it's worth considering how patterns of abuse in domestic life are replicated in the political sphere. This podcast examines the issue:

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/resistance-radio-guest-josh-slocum/id723644446?i=1000512945534

"This is not about trans, it's not about feeding impoverished children, it's not about women's rights....what they want is control...obedience...performative obdience....What they want you to do, is for you to ... speak the lie [in front of other people]"

This was a very interesting podcast. Thank you for posting it. The discussion helped me to understand my reservations about the way the ideology is being enforced.
HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 23/05/2021 12:10

The Baroness is doing good work. Thank goodness for Baronesses (never thought I'd say that).

Helleofabore · 23/05/2021 12:09

EHRC has provided a benign no-fault divorce template to all organisations. Allowing them to each 'review their budgets' and decide how better to get 'value for money'. This approach will likely result in more organisations making the break, than a self-flagellating mea culpa would.

It is a very wise PR move for the EHRC. It sends the message that there is little value in Stonewall anymore to all organisations who have invested in Stonewall to be certified.

When combined with the not so subtle position that the Baroness stated last weekend that women have every right to ask questions and have discussions and that women deserve answers, it is far better than making a grand statement that can be misconstrued and make EHRC a target for being another 'hate organisation' and no longer credible.

allmywhat · 23/05/2021 12:07

@NecessaryScene1

Acceptance without exception

Wouldn't be so bad, but coupled with "get over it", it's a bullying "you will accept us" without any reciprocal "we will accept you".

I don’t know, I think Acceptance without exception is pretty awful on its own. Have thought that ever since I first heard of J. Yaniv. And the roll call of those who ought to be exceptions seems to grow by the day.

It’s morally mandating us to disregard our own instincts even around dangerous men. Absolutely horrible slogan.

Tibtom · 23/05/2021 12:07

Barracker I disagree because precisely who this organisation is and the role they play. EHRC are precisely the ones who should be holding Stonewall to account. They are the ones who should be funding Maya's court action and Allison's too. They should be out there saying 'Stonewall's training misrepresents the law and following their edicts for their champions scheme is contrary to your public sector equality duty.'. That is what EHRC is for.

Helleofabore · 23/05/2021 12:04

Nancy Kelley has retweeted this embarrassingly unprofessional tweet. So even the CEO is endorsing this style of SM comms?!

That is probably going to come back and haunt her at the worst time possible.

I does seem that some trans activists who support groups like SW who are in positions looking after communications have developed a habit of posting in this mocking way. It simply adds to the perception that there is a lack of professionalism, and the lack of ability to critically think issues though.

Tibtom · 23/05/2021 12:02

Acceptance without exception

Isn't this a distillation of queer theory? Everything and everybody is accepted. Barrier must be removed. Norms destroyed.

No exception means paedophilia and harmful paraphillias too.

NecessaryScene1 · 23/05/2021 12:01

'Budget Review' is my favourite new euphemism

Didn't it used to be "no-one ever got fired for buying IBM" (or some other "safe" brand). Until recently it's been "no-one ever got fired for signing up to that Stonewall scheme".

It would be good if the new wisdom was "no-one ever got fired for letting Stonewall membership lapse in the budget review".

BrizzleGirl · 23/05/2021 11:58

Fantastic news!

MiladyBerserko · 23/05/2021 11:57

'Budget Review' is my favourite new euphemism

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