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EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.

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Novina · 23/05/2021 00:35

Has anyone else seen this? From Sex Matters:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/press-release-equality-and-human-rights-commission-cuts-ties-with-stonewall

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heathspeedwell · 23/05/2021 13:52

That clip of Stew is superb! I hope he's brave enough to come out as GC soon.

ScreamingMeMe · 23/05/2021 13:47

It's horribly manipulative framing, and really irresponsible to tell LGBT people that this is an attack on all their rights.

Sophoclesthefox · 23/05/2021 13:46

@heathspeedwell

Just heard on Facebook that Nestle are dropping Stonewall too. I don't know how to verify that, but it would be hilarious if Nestle have too much pride in their reputation to be associated with the likes of Stonewall.
Oh for goodness sake, what am I supposed to do with that information, I’ve boycotted Nestle since 1989, I can’t approve of them now 🤣
Grellbunt · 23/05/2021 13:45

I think lots of people who have previously supported Stonewall don't understand what's been going on. So yes, this could well cause consternation...Hopefully it is made crystal clear.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 23/05/2021 13:43

[quote HecatesCatsInFancyHats]Now they've gone on the attack. We've done nothing wrong, everyone is out to get us! They don't seem to know how to do anything else...

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1396424940702818304?s=21[/quote]
I've some sympathy with the tweeter who wrote:

A lot of LGBT people are very concerned that this is part of a wider movement to remove our rights.

I see the concern is grounded in Stonewall and other parties use of those tactics to remove women's rights. But the commenter has yet to realise that it is Stonewall who is looking to remove bodily autonomy and the right to assert personal sexual orientation from LGB as part of the portfolio of T being positioned as trumping the rights of everybody else.

ScreamingMeMe · 23/05/2021 13:42

Blimey indeed. That seems pretty significant. No wonder they are having a rather childish tantrum.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/05/2021 13:38

don't know how to verify that, but it would be hilarious if Nestle have too much pride in their reputation to be associated with the likes of Stonewall.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W2firijxQOo

I imagine Stew himself will be quietly deleting his own recent lazy, poorly informed wokey blokey foray into this argument when the shit finally hits the fan, but this is a great clip.

RedDogsBeg · 23/05/2021 13:38

@nauticant

This is actually being reported on The World At One on Radio 4 right now. Including referring to Stonewall's "illegal advice on transgender issues".
No punches being pulled there then. Nice to hear facts and accuracy in BBC reporting for a change.
EmbarrassingAdmissions · 23/05/2021 13:37

@heathspeedwell

Just heard on Facebook that Nestle are dropping Stonewall too. I don't know how to verify that, but it would be hilarious if Nestle have too much pride in their reputation to be associated with the likes of Stonewall.
No announcements on Nestle's site but hard to know if they would want this to be a quiet thing or if somebody has the wrong end of the stick?

www.nestle.co.uk/en-gb/media/pressreleases?field_internal_tag_target_id%5B%5D=6686&title=stonewall&year=2021

It's better for people to review their partnerships quietly than to make some atonement or public embrace of a redemption narrative - there are still too many countries where that wouldn't play well.

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 23/05/2021 13:31

EHRC: we're cutting ties with Stonewall (between the lines - because they've been misleading organisation about equality law)

Stonewall: YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF TRANSPHOBES

It's not going to wash any more lads.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/05/2021 13:31

Absolutely horrible slogan.

It is. I was quite amused that EHRC used it in their letter saying they had withdrawn. Epic trolling, said my DP.

Grellbunt · 23/05/2021 13:30

When the tide turns in popular opinion nowadays, it really turns...

heathspeedwell · 23/05/2021 13:28

Just heard on Facebook that Nestle are dropping Stonewall too. I don't know how to verify that, but it would be hilarious if Nestle have too much pride in their reputation to be associated with the likes of Stonewall.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/05/2021 13:28

Are they actually on glue? Do they think that this is an appropriate, never mind adequate response?

Mind blowing. Gonna get on with reinforcing the idea that Stonewall are not fit for purpose by posting like a sixteen year old’s closing lines before slamming the door to their bedroom because GOD MUM YOURE SUCH A FUCKING KAREN.

They're playing to their puerile audience.

BettyFilous · 23/05/2021 13:26

@nauticant

This is actually being reported on The World At One on Radio 4 right now. Including referring to Stonewall's "illegal advice on transgender issues".
You could have blown me down with a feather. It referenced the Essex report too.
Sophoclesthefox · 23/05/2021 13:25

Fucking hell, they really do see this as the hill they want to die on. I’m bringing popcorn!

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 23/05/2021 13:20

@nauticant

This is actually being reported on The World At One on Radio 4 right now. Including referring to Stonewall's "illegal advice on transgender issues".
Blimey
somethinginoffensive · 23/05/2021 13:17

@nauticant

This is actually being reported on The World At One on Radio 4 right now. Including referring to Stonewall's "illegal advice on transgender issues".
I heard that too.

More sunlight. Excellent!

CriticalCondition · 23/05/2021 13:14

Good of Stonewall to confirm that today there are 850 Diversity Champions. It will be very interesting to see what happens to that number over the next few months.

My guess is that Stonewall will re-structure and rebrand the scheme under another name so they can bury the falling numbers.

nauticant · 23/05/2021 13:11

The other day there was an extended retrospective interview of Ian Hislop on Radio 4. In it he mentioned how when he was being a thorn in the side of the tabloids they set out to discredit him, basically turning over his entire life, private detectives, going through bins, all that kind of thing, in what's called a monstering. He said he welcomed the scrutiny and felt it benefitted him because the more they dug and failed the discredit him, the more he felt assured in his position of being such a strong critic of the tabloids.

Stonewall could benefit from listening to that programme and learning from it.

DadDadDad · 23/05/2021 13:11

I wonder when Stonewall will get round to publishing their annual accounts?

Their financial year runs to the end of September. They didn't submit their Sept 2019 accounts to the Charity Commission until the end of July last year (ie right at the statutory deadline), and those showed them running at a loss. I assume we'll have to wait until July for the Sept 2020 accounts. Will they show a (growing) loss?

If you want details: register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/3992465/accounts-and-annual-returns

nauticant · 23/05/2021 13:05

This is actually being reported on The World At One on Radio 4 right now. Including referring to Stonewall's "illegal advice on transgender issues".

Igneococcus · 23/05/2021 13:03

This just now made it into the Radio 3 news.

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 23/05/2021 13:03

They need to find the plot, they seem to have misplaced it.

IvyTwines2 · 23/05/2021 13:01

'TIE'? An unfortunate acronym for a group focussed on children, but there you go.

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