EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.

From the documents on Sex Matters, I think that news was embargoed from when it happened until last night? I may be wrong tho'

Will be interesting to see when the Proud Employers website is updated then.

I would have thought if the EHRC withdrawal had been subject to an embargo, then a website update would have had time to be synchronised?

Isn’t that generally how an embargo works?

Here you are @LizzieSiddal Hope the link works.

Stonewall should stay out of trans rights war.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4972efe4-ba6d-11eb-98e3-d1306649ebf7?shareToken=0c20b66d946929e7391e6795d5448237

I actually worry about OJ sometimes. The hyperbole is something to see.

I actually would like to see something like that. I would like to see the key points from both sides being put forward and analysed on a respected forum, so the argument can really stand on their own merits.

But I guess the problem is that the arguments DO NOT add up to scrutiny and so no one from Stonewall et Al will risk it.

For instance :

Sw: Puberty blockers are harmless, fully reversible, a pause button....

Mn: here is all the evidence that they are not, plus the fact that the NHS gave changed their advice, Sweden has banned them....

SW: bigot!!

Won't wash....

Well he has promised Betty and he wouldn't lie would he.....

See LOJ wants funding from the masses for his own media channel where he promises that if you pay/subscribe to it they will talk about whatever issue you want to talk about - yeah, right!

Those who hound trans people today: all history will ever remember you for is as hateful persecutors of a marginalised minority. That's your only contribution.

You've had our backs, @stonewalluk We've got yours.

From David Aaronovitch
Replying to
@OwenJones84
Maybe. But you can hardly ignore the criticism of Stonewall by some of those who helped found it.

From: Owen Jones Rose
to David Aaronovitch

counterpoint: yes I can. the history of members of minorities who kick the ladder they've climbed from beneath them is long and sordid.
also you work for a newspaper organisation which incites hatred against travellers, Muslims, and trans people, and publishes one of Anders Brevik's key influences. you essentially work for Breitbart, at what point do you look in the mirror and ask yourself searching questions

From: David Aaronovitch
To: OJ
Yep. Me and Anders Breivik. Practically an item.

From: Owen Jones Rose
To: AD
You work for a newspaper which incites bigotry against some of the most marginalised minorities in Britain, including outright lies about Muslims. You have no authority of any description on issues of bigotry, and it’s embarrassing you think your opinions on LGBTQ rights matter.

From: David Aaronovitch
To OJ

Hold on. You’re not a lesbian. You’re not trans. You’re not a Jew or a Palestinian. You’re a middle class white guy. Yet you clearly believe your opinion matters on EVERYTHING. Not even an opinion: your talent for outrage. So yes, my opinion on ‘rights’ does count. Ciao.

From: Owen Jones Rose
To: AD

There’s a reason you’re being retweeted by far right and hard right accounts like Turning Point UK. It’s because you work for a newspaper which systematically whips up hatred against vulnerable minorities. They don’t see you as your enemy as a consequence. Hope you feel pride!

The fact you’re trying to condemn a gay man for supporting his own civil rights organisation sums you up - an ex Communist turned cliched reactionary pub bore who works for an overtly racist newspaper. And I’m afraid that is all you will ever be remembered for.

From: David Aaronovitch
To: OJ

Stop Owen. This is a tantrum you’re having. No one thinks less of me because of all the insults you’re tweeting at me. But I’m not sure the same is true for you.

From: Jane Symons
To: DA and OJ

To be honest David, many of us so familiar with Owen's tantrums that another one won't make any difference to the contempt in which he is held.

From: suzanne moore
To: OJ

phrase making is not your strong point is it?

The news about EHRC was only released at midnight afaict so it might be a bit soon for this to have propagated through the various system and other updates?

The EHRC said they don’t renew in March so they’ve had quite a few weeks to take them off the list. I expect they don’t want to take it down.

I’ve just tried to see Matthew Paris’ article in the Times and I can’t find it, it was at the top of the Comments section this morning. Anyone else having issues finding it?

Molly thank you for that tweet. That’s the icing on the cake of a good news day

That bbc article is now on the News front page. The clicks are working!

You're right about the obvious omission crossparsley, I'm just so used to it I don't notice anymore.

Embarrassing true, the information came out yesterday, the EHRC wrote to Stonewall in March confirming that it wasn’t renewing its membership - I wonder when membership expires?

David Aaronovitch has just handed LOJ his arse gift wrapped on Twitter. I can only see half the conversation but it is a thing of beauty.

Proud Employers (Stonewall’s job site) have a list of Stonewall Diversity Champions here:

www.proudemployers.org.uk/diversity-champions-programme

It still lists the EHRC so I don’t know how up to date it is.

Just caught up on this thread. Fantastic news and long overdue from the EHRC.

That SW tweet though.

Note to Stonewall - scrutiny and accountability of a professional body in receipt of government funds is not 'creepy'. If you're unsure why go ask the BBC!

It takes a hell of a lot to remove someone from the HoL and rescind their title Shedbuilder but certainly the reputational damage would be epic.

Yes, and Baroness Hunt has been strangely absent from any debate that touched on gender. What's going on? If there's a public inquiry and Stonewall's exposed in the way I anticipate — encouraging lesbian and gay teens to transition, supporting drug treatments that leave them sterile, misrepresenting the law and statistics and lying over and over again, attempting a coup against science and material reality — will she be able to keep her title and position?

To be fair to Nancy who doesn't seem up to the job she did inherit this shit storm from Ruth Hunt, who is now sitting pretty in the house of Lords.

Glinner’s latest post on this topic : ‘Sunlight pours in’:

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/sunlight-pours-in

John McManus has been watching all this for a while. He's one of the good guys. Always tweeted about Maya and Allison, has obviously been watching it all closely and following the arguments. Nice to see an article like this from him.

The BBC story in binglebong’s link has an odd edit to the EHRC announcement, though: omits ‘and those with all other protected characteristics’ between ‘LGBT employees’ and ‘are accepted without exception’. Obviously might be just to save space, but it does change the meaning of what the EHRC said, if you only read the BBC story. Van they not help themselves? Shouldn’t this story have been even more carefully proofed than usual?