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EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.

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Novina · 23/05/2021 00:35

Has anyone else seen this? From Sex Matters:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/press-release-equality-and-human-rights-commission-cuts-ties-with-stonewall

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HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 25/05/2021 16:39

*If you look through this FOI you will see that Brighton and Sussex hospitals trust supplies a staggering amount of documentation.

"Regarding questions 1 & 2 of your request, it is estimated that the
submission for the Stonewall Workplace Equality Index 2020 (submitted
September 2019) and feedback documentation comprises 50+ pieces of
information, totalling over 1,400 pages."*

Omg

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/05/2021 14:33

I imagine it's an attempt to deflect that too. Getting it in now.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 25/05/2021 14:32

@Ereshkigalangcleg

The final straw for me was Stonewall making my employer delete the words woman and mother from the maternity policy.

On another thread they are quoting as saying that they "have no sway over organisational decision making", when trying to avoid the charge that they were responsible for the Essex University debacle.

Tell that to Allison Bailey!
Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/05/2021 14:13

The final straw for me was Stonewall making my employer delete the words woman and mother from the maternity policy.

On another thread they are quoting as saying that they "have no sway over organisational decision making", when trying to avoid the charge that they were responsible for the Essex University debacle.

FannyCann · 25/05/2021 13:53

It's certainly not that simple for the organisation Erikrie

If you look through this FOI you will see that Brighton and Sussex hospitals trust supplies a staggering amount of documentation.

"Regarding questions 1 & 2 of your request, it is estimated that the
submission for the Stonewall Workplace Equality Index 2020 (submitted
September 2019) and feedback documentation comprises 50+ pieces of
information, totalling over 1,400 pages."

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/informationabouttyourdealingss485#incoming-1735427

Erikrie · 25/05/2021 08:24

The final straw for me was Stonewall making my employer delete the words woman and mother from the maternity policy

That is repulsive. I'd think an easy job for the advisors though if this is what they do
.
Step 1: Receive considerable membership money from companies to ensure they are inclusive
Step 2: Advisor looks through company policies and documents. Asks them to erase the word woman and anything pertaining to actual womanhood. Make sure the word woman includes men.
Step 3: Switch focus to facilitates such as toilets. Make sure women's toilets are inclusive to men.
Step 4: Provide company with a shiny inclusiveness certificate.
Step 5: Come back next year. Check company is still inclusive for men and not for women. Collect membership money.
Repeat.

highame · 25/05/2021 07:36

Tibtom those words and woman are writ large into law and given the kickback those trying to eliminate the words were given recently in the HoL I wonder what strategies they will try next. Using the EHRC logo is a bit of a bad move, so if all they've got is more lies and obfuscation, they are definitely losing

Tibtom · 25/05/2021 07:26

Not only is sex a protected characteristic but so is pregnancy and maternity.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 25/05/2021 07:13

@Cleanandpress

The final straw for me was Stonewall making my employer delete the words woman and mother from the maternity policy.

Their contempt for women is off the scale.

Stonewall may have coerced/persuaded your company using wrong guidance but it's indicative of how readily companies/organisations embrace the erasure of women without considering the impact on their female workforce.
Cleanandpress · 24/05/2021 23:42

The final straw for me was Stonewall making my employer delete the words woman and mother from the maternity policy.

Their contempt for women is off the scale.

LizzieSiddal · 24/05/2021 22:22

Stonewall is finally paying the price for turning its back on gay men and lesbians

Agree. Their approach is also very similar to the Labour Party and their Self ID support. How many times did we hear “if you don’t like it, leave”. It didn’t work for Labour and it won’t work for Stonewall.

FannyCann · 24/05/2021 22:10

Aww there's a meme in that. If only I could do photo shop.

Forgotthebins · 24/05/2021 21:38

When Owen Jones ridiculously tells David Aaronovitch that DA has “no authority” to talk about bigotry, it recalls the Handforth parish council meeting and that man with the “Jackie Weaver you have no authority here” moment.

rabbitwoman · 24/05/2021 21:29

@HighNetGirth

I want to know where the hell all the Government lawyers were while Stonewall was putting it's own gloss on equality law.

Perhaps the EHRC got external legal advice about the Alison Bailey case then suddenly thought "Oh, hang on..." when the full import of the advice became apparent?

It that is the case, where the hell have they been!!??? I have been reading on here for YEARS about how institutions, schools, prisons etc are not abiding by the equalities act - starting to act as though SELF-ID had already been implemented and then failing to change when it was not implemented, if we know that on here didn't anyo3tell the people in charge that the law was being broken?
FindTheTruth · 24/05/2021 21:29

Jo Bartosch article this afternoon

archive.is/GCub0

Stonewall is finally paying the price for turning its back on gay men and lesbians
The LGBT charity has strayed far from its core purpose, alienating large numbers of people in the process

HighNetGirth · 24/05/2021 19:45

I want to know where the hell all the Government lawyers were while Stonewall was putting it's own gloss on equality law.

Perhaps the EHRC got external legal advice about the Alison Bailey case then suddenly thought "Oh, hang on..." when the full import of the advice became apparent?

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 24/05/2021 19:17

@WarriorN

Woah.

Their marketing is looking extremely dodgy.

Confused
WarriorN · 24/05/2021 19:09

Stonewall new branding/vision/strategy/whatever www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4253200-Stonewall-new-branding-vision-strategy-whatever

WarriorN · 24/05/2021 19:09

Woah.

Their marketing is looking extremely dodgy.

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 24/05/2021 19:00

When are stonewall actually going to be taken to task for misrepresenting the law to countless organisations and trying to erode women's rights by stealth. This is their new logo launched today - the animated logo starts off looking strangely similar to the Equality & Human Rights Commission. If this isn't another misleading act of misappropriation I don't know what is - Stonewall is not the equalities watchdog. Totally unacceptable overreach yet again.

EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.
EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.
EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 24/05/2021 17:45

Yes, I know the feeling.

Me too. My office is on the London pride march route & god it was excruciating last time it happened....

WineAcademy · 24/05/2021 17:41

@Shedbuilder

We're a lesbian household and we found all the NHS rainbows in the house windows in our street really disturbing. We've waved rainbow flags at Pride over the years, but that stopped sometime around 2012 when all this gender shit began to take off. Rainbows now make us tight-lipped and nervous.
Yes, I know the feeling.
Leafstamp · 24/05/2021 17:32

@highame

It will be interesting to see if Stonewall encourages any company special interest committees to claim that withdrawing from the scheme indicates a hostile work environment.

I hope they do, because that's Game Set and Match to Allison Bailey

I'd like to understand this better, but equally don't want content here that would tip off any companies into not doing something that in doing it would help AB!
Shedbuilder · 24/05/2021 17:27

We're a lesbian household and we found all the NHS rainbows in the house windows in our street really disturbing. We've waved rainbow flags at Pride over the years, but that stopped sometime around 2012 when all this gender shit began to take off. Rainbows now make us tight-lipped and nervous.

WarriorN · 24/05/2021 16:52

Sorry my phone hates adding pictures

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