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EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.

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Novina · 23/05/2021 00:35

Has anyone else seen this? From Sex Matters:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/press-release-equality-and-human-rights-commission-cuts-ties-with-stonewall

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HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 28/05/2021 13:15

Excellent, paying for erroneous legal advice is no way to spend public money.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 28/05/2021 07:59

Well that is good news. I can’t see how any public body can remain a member of an organisation that has misstated the law in relation to a PC.

Leafstamp · 28/05/2021 07:42

Thanks for the share token.

ACAS. Brilliant. This is filling me with joy!!

Same!!

Bring on the domino effect!

PearPickingPorky · 28/05/2021 06:58

"For costs reasons" is an excellent excuse.

And it's not just the cost of the scheme membership at £2,500; is also the cost of employees time for the application, the drafting and redrafting etc with the policies when Stonewall marks their homework, the time spent having to deal with any complaints and grievances from women when they remove our single-sex provisions, and then the extortionate costs of legal action when there is a Judicial Review or someone sues them for their unlawful actions because they followed Stonewall's erroneous advice.

WeeTorag · 28/05/2021 06:44

[quote EmpressWitchDoesntBurn]Here’s a shareToken for the ACAS article. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/adc11a5e-bf1b-11eb-a904-b6ed9daa84aa?shareToken=79ac4bd6edd49c896b98e36b3903fdfa[/quote]
Thanks for the share token.

ACAS. Brilliant. This is filling me with joy!!

BettyFilous · 28/05/2021 06:30

Good. There are numerous bodies who are compromising their supposed impartiality by being signed up to this scheme. ACAS is a key one, all judicial bodies and agencies including CPS and unions should be distancing themselves from this scheme. It fundamentally conflicts with their missions.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 28/05/2021 04:15

Here’s a shareToken for the ACAS article. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/adc11a5e-bf1b-11eb-a904-b6ed9daa84aa?shareToken=79ac4bd6edd49c896b98e36b3903fdfa

RedDogsBeg · 28/05/2021 02:12

Once the high profile public bodies start fleeing the ship private ones will also follow. Leaving for cost reasons is, as someone previously said, a good way of phrasing it for publicly funded bodies as it will make it seem like they are being careful with tax payers money. It also piles pressure on those publicly funded institutions that remain members as tax payers will turn the focus on them and when they inevitably ask for more money from the Government or complain they don't have enough they will face the backlash of "why are you wasting our money on that?" It will only take a couple of journalists to put it out there just how much time and money is spent on being part of the scheme and it will get very messy very quickly. The mass of paperwork and hours spent by Brighton and Sussex NHS will be incredibly difficult to justify to patients.

BrizzleGirl · 28/05/2021 00:55

Hopefully it's going to be like dominos!!

BrizzleGirl · 28/05/2021 00:54

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-suffers-fresh-setback-in-trans-advice-row-j3p79gb2k

Wooo hoooo "cost reasons" indeed :)

tobee · 28/05/2021 00:35

Now ACAS too according to The Times

Mollyollydolly · 27/05/2021 18:57

The Downfall of Stonewall ..
www.captiongenerator.com/2246061/The-Downfall-of-Stonewall#.YK_bg_j1mb0.twitter

Tibtom · 27/05/2021 09:00

Should have put another full stop in there somewhere...

Tibtom · 27/05/2021 08:59

The hashtag also served another purpose - the easy identification of public services who had already had an foi submitted to prevent duplication and thus demonstrating the fact it wasn't about putting pressure on public organisations generally but rather about their relationship with a political lobby group.

OldCrone · 27/05/2021 08:54

You can read the full statement from WhatDoTheyKnow here.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/blog

They explain why the hashtag was removed.

Considering the request titles, we determined that the inclusion of a campaign hashtag in the title is extraneous to the purpose of requesting information from public bodies and at odds with the sufficiently focused nature of the requests – seeking to bring pressure on public authorities rather than simply focusing on the requirements of a clear request for information.

For the reasons listed above, we have determined that these requests can remain on the site; however, we have removed the extraneous campaign hashtag from the title of each request.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 26/05/2021 23:44

Better late than never. The EHRC should have cut ties with Stonewall the moment Stonewall admitted it wanted Sex dropped from the Equality Act as a protected characteristic.

FindTheTruth · 26/05/2021 13:10

another article
unherd.com/2021/05/how-stonewall-sacrificed-gay-rights/

"in recent days, one of its founders, Matthew Parris, publicly urged Stonewall to stay out of the trans wars, while the Equality and Human Rights Commission announced that it would not be renewing its membership."

"And quite right, too. No taxpayer-funded entity should be funnelling money to Stonewall. And private companies who continue to do so should be made aware that they are supporting a group which has stopped looking out for gay people and started hounding them in their workplaces instead."

Leafstamp · 25/05/2021 22:03

Good work and intel @BrizzleGirl, thanks!

BrizzleGirl · 25/05/2021 19:19

“Extraneous material removed”

You can search using the phrase above, using the inverted commas.

FannyCann · 25/05/2021 18:57

Interesting. Searching for DontSubmitToStonewall on the WhatdotheyKnow website brings up the requests that include that hashtag but it has been removed. Oh well. It was there for a while and you can still search it apparently, not sure how that works but I'm not an IT wizard!

EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.
BrizzleGirl · 25/05/2021 17:41

They may have rejected the complaint but have removed the hashtag DontSubmitToStonewall. Which is fair enough I suppose. At least the enquires are still there.

Leafstamp · 25/05/2021 17:34

[quote EmpressWitchDoesntBurn]I saw on Twitter that there have been complaints to whatdotheyknow.com about Legal Feminist's FOI campaign. And the complaints were rejected GrinGrinGrin

twitter.com/legalfeminist/status/1397181707569274880?s=20[/quote]
Love it, thank you for sharing this.

Erikrie · 25/05/2021 16:59

I saw on Twitter that there have been complaints to whatdotheyknow.com about Legal Feminist's FOI campaign. And the complaints were rejected

😂 What a shame.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 25/05/2021 16:51

I saw on Twitter that there have been complaints to whatdotheyknow.com about Legal Feminist's FOI campaign. And the complaints were rejected GrinGrinGrin

twitter.com/legalfeminist/status/1397181707569274880?s=20

Erikrie · 25/05/2021 16:45

"Regarding questions 1 & 2 of your request, it is estimated that the submission for the Stonewall Workplace Equality Index 2020 (submitted September 2019) and feedback documentation comprises 50+ pieces of information, totalling over 1,400 pages."

Jesus. They really have infiltrated some of these organisations.😲 That's absolutely shocking.

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