Should Muslim women be forced to give beauty treatments to males?

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I think you're misremembering the outcome.
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By law, she is allowed to limit her business. Or are you saying she doesn’t have that ability. That every single person in the beauty business must ‘service’ every customer. In which case, I think you are overlooking the EA2010.

For some reason this reminds me of the case of the conservative Christian chef that refused to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple as it was against his religious beliefs. I believe the court ruled that he had no right to refuse to bake the cake.

So it seems to me there is already similar precedent that a service provider cannot decline service on the basis of personal religious belief.....

It will be interesting to see where this ends up.

if someone isn't willing or able to do their job because of their beliefs then surely they should just consider another job which is more suited to them?

They are perfectly willing and able to do their chosen job in their employed role, which is providing these services to female people.

There isn't a National Nail Bar And Massage Service in which all providers must be trained to a uniform standard providing the exact same service. An individual salon decides for themselves what services they choose to sell and who their customers are, and who they employ for those roles. When you're looking to spend your money you find a shop that will sell you what you want.

And yes, many workers providing services such as beauty treatments, massage, holistic therapy will only provide those services to females for a variety of good reasons.

No, but noone is forcing them to become a beautician are they?

Sorry for blunt reply, but while I am totally in favour of diversity and rights for everyone, if someone isn't willing or able to do their job because of their beliefs then surely they should just consider another job which is more suited to them?

How on earth would someone know if someone was 'gender fluid'? Unless they were a total bore and banging on about it at every opportunity?

You answered your own question, I think that description probably covers 99% of them.

I'm not sure I agree with that. (Above post)

I don't think a massage shop, or an individual masseuse, should be able to have a "no blacks" policy.

I also think that doctors should expect to be carrying out physical examinations on patients of both sex. Not emergency, just normal work. What if a GP practice only has female doctors? They all decide that they don't like touching male patients?

I don't object to beauty treatments being single sex. But a sign saying "no fat women allowed"? They shouldn't have to touch fat women if they aren't comfortable with that?

Anyone, any human being at all, should be able to refuse to provide a service to any other human being, if that service includes personal touch. Nobody should be required to touch anyone else.

EXCEPT: emergency responders, where there is not the time to find an alternative person. This should be made very clear at recruitment.

And there's limits even here: a police officer helping to carry someone free of a car crash (or whatever) is different from a particular police officer being required to search someone of the opposite sex.

A manicure doesn't sound like an emergency situation, however much it might feel like it at the time.

It is screamed from the rooftps that 'non binary' means neither man nor woman. Yet, males who claim the label think this entitles them to womens only services/spaces? Why? I thought you were neither man nor woman...as shouted in the face of many cervix havers?

Male entitlement. Nowt new.

It's just a stealthy way of forcing women into accepting sexual abuse from men. Plus ca change...

It does not offer all of its beauty services to both men and women. Some beauty services are offered to both sexes, e g waxing and massage, and some only to women, e g manicures.

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want someone who has only trained to wax female undercarriages to wax your balls.

Sounds like a risk to me. Ball sack very thin and delicate. Could go horribly wrong.

They move = they’ve

Yes in the same way men should be forced to give bikini waxes if working in a unisex Salon. You provide a service in a place of work or you find another job

In answer to the original question, yes, though I think there should be a requirement to make it clear this can happen.

FlyingLoo said:

"@Zinco I’ve reported your comment."

Well come back when can actually explain why it's wrong, and you aren't just a twit wanting to censor people.

So, seems men can refuse females a service....??

rabbitwomen that is my concern. Though it turns out it is legal to be able to turn down carrying out beauty treatment on the opposite sex that requires physical contact. But it was the wider implications of saying belief is justification for sex discrimination in anything other than very specific narrow faith-based contexts (eg in a mosque, synagogue or church itself) that concerns me. Because it is women who lose out when that happens.

The next time I went to the doctors I had a different Muslim doctor, who checked first that I didn't actually need a female doctor.

So, seems men can refuse females a service....??