“ Stonewall should stay out of trans rights war” - Times/Matthew Paris

Problem is that Paris was part of the history, not its rewrite.

There’s a saying to always follow the money. It is alleged that Stonewall changed its focus to trans rights following substantial donations from the Arcus Foundation, set up by a man who owns a US medical company. Would this company stand to profit substantially from the medicalization of trans and surgeries that are happening?

www.the11thhourblog.com/post/stryker-corporation-and-the-global-drive-for-medical-identities

Does anyone know more about this?

Good news in that I suspect he is not alone. Stonewall was huge for many gay men of his generation.

If Stonewall's core and loyal constituency are now asking questions and going as far as resigning, and he will not be alone, it will damage Stonewall's hold on the establishment.

Sounding cynical, but white urban educated men of Paris' age run things. They are MPs, newspaper columnists, senior lawyers, bankers and civil servants. Most will be heterosexual, but the societal change Stonewall helped effect, means that straight white men will defer to their gay colleagues on inclusion issues. Probably why Stonewall has become so influential in the corridors of power. Lose this constituency and they lose everything.

I agree Choose plus, Matthew has riled stonewall, which is a huge bonus.

Just watched Glinners latest video. Fantastic!

Ah! I remember the Ash Sarkar debacle. very amusing, snigger worthy

Oh Mishy, never change

Seems Stonewall are starting to be cut lose from companies, due to the courtcase.

Yes the comments are depressing. I surmised the article was too long and detailed for many to read. Hey ho. Still sunlight and letting the powers that be know stonewall is on borrowed time.

[quote Needmoresleep]Another clear article, this time from the Mail, suggesting Stonewall has lost its way.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9608277/MARY-HARRINGTON-group-fighting-homophobia-clashes-gay-rights-champion-theres-issue.html[/quote]
From the comments, we've still got work to do, to make DM readers understand why this matters. They are where Times readers were 5 years ago.

I presume Mishy is representative of those who think that history should be erased (not learned from) books should be burned (not read) and certain voices (especially women's) should be silenced.
Not being aware of the history of the existence of Stonewall is lamentable.

Sounds like this dude needs a history lesson about the LGBT community. Rather ironic really. Bigotry will not divide true LGBT+ solidarity. Respect, Equality and Love wins over hate - every time.

Ouch. Embarrassing. Maybe you should consider a name change. Start afresh. Try and do better next time.

MP is a bit late with this article really. It's not so much that Stonewall should stay out of Trans rights war as that they shouldn't have started it. If Stonewall hadn't gone for the T things would surely look very different?

(Probably still a misogynist organisation though, prioritising gays, hence their support for surrogacy....)

We need MSM to link this up more with the extraordinary power Stonewall have been granted and the way they try to hide this by advising public bodies how not to respond to FOIs.

Another clear article, this time from the Mail, suggesting Stonewall has lost its way.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9608277/MARY-HARRINGTON-group-fighting-homophobia-clashes-gay-rights-champion-theres-issue.html

Sounds like this dude needs a history lesson about the LGBT community. Rather ironic really. Bigotry will not divide true LGBT+ solidarity. Respect, Equality and Love wins over hate - every time.

‘This dude’ IS an important part of LGB history - he was one of the original founders of Stonewall. Didn’t you read the article?

MishyJDI - Abraham Lincoln has some words of advice for you:

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt

and in the meantime you could take the advice you are always dishing out and educate yourself.

I was so glad to read this article. We need more prominent gay men and lesbians to speak up about this.