I've turned my husband and he's turned his employer

Fortunately my husband has always 'got it' and rages against it as much as I do. He enjoys watching and supporting women's sports - football, cricket, athletics, tennis, rugby and the very idea that TW will be taking part against women absolutely infuriates him and he is not afraid to speak out about it, he knows it will ruin women's sports and he would no longer watch or support it if it happens.

There was a good thread on here re. the superstraight idea (originally from a teen boy's til tok) if you are interested I will try to find it and link.

I’ve not so much “turned” as opened the eyes of various family members as well as my DP who now likes to ask me what my pronouns are today etc...My younger son once mentioned some nonsense about “gender assigned at birth” for which I gave him very short shrift and he now definitely understands why...

[quote Irishmom7]@Abhannmor Irreversible Damage is a very easy read though it was upsetting in places so I had to take breaks.

I didn’t nod along with every word and rolled my eyes once or twice. It is very American but a real eye opener. I haven’t read Helen Joyce book yet.[/quote]
I’ve read it - it’s really worthwhile

I’d like to thank Laurel and the IOC for turning my husband. I’d been drip dripping for years. Laurel gave the final push.

Dh and all my uni friends

I turned the sister of our 'self ID/twaw' candidate , her boyfriend and my ndn on the evening before the election .
Puuuullll ...

It just seems good that there's a way to direct opposition into something that has a positive outcome for women in an organisation.

On one level I agree with you but if we take the full TWAW stance then women's rights are gone TBH and we are pissing in the ocean with things like this. If they are combined with a questioning of the whole ideology of 'gender identity' then they have real meaning.

You guys have made me very happy in reading this thread!

BUT this seems like a really brilliant move from @Huckleberries73. It seems like there's a lot of winners from pushing policies forward in this way. It also seems to me like really good ground for people of opposing viewpoints to meet on.

It just seems good that there's a way to direct opposition into something that has a positive outcome for women in an organisation.

' We also both listed ourselves on the census as superstraight.'

Why?

Puuuuulllllll indeed!!

My DH is totally turned. Outraged by the whole thing, he frequently has seen a thread on here and started a discussion with me about it before I've seen it. He has refused to answer "gender" questions at work and told them he doesn't have one, he has a sex, male. We also both listed ourselves on the census as superstraight.

I objected to only being asked my gender on an HR form for a school based role, told them under gdpr they can only record relevant information, and as sex is the characteristic in the equality act I would only agree to providing the information of Sex: Female for their records. They confirmed that they would record it as such and said they would review the HR form.

Drip drip drip.

I'd been yes deared till last week when a few key news articles (eg Weight lifting in Olympics and Lisa Keogh's case) and a query about pronouns for the penny to drop.

He actually thought people put pronouns in their twitter bio to be ironic. As everyone he has known of doing it is the sex they say they are.

He even did some basic maths calculations around numbers of trans people v numbers of women regarding language of "birthing people" and needing gender neutral toilets, and how many women it would affect, who would also be bothered. (Millions.)

(Hee hee).

Oh, I love this thread! to all.

Amazing OP and OP’s DH!

🥂

I think some men are likely to get sports as an entry point @OhRene.

Have you tried to show him a link of the New Zealand weightlifter who may compete in the Olympics?

I would also show: Rachel McKinnon cycling, Fallon Fox’s tweets about crashing skulls and a picture of her opponent, the Australian transwoman rugby player (the size compared to biological women) and comment that this particular transwoman was allowed to play but was outraged as they wanted to shower with the other women. No surgery.

If your DH is into golf, I believe that there is a transwoman golfer who relatively recently failed to qualify as a man but now is smashing it as a transwoman.

Would any of those help?

Your DH might also be surprised at the statistics that about 50% of transwomen in prisons have a history of sexual assault. And are trying to get into women’s prisons (this peaked one of my female friends).

PUUULLLL.

Well done, OP and OP's DH! Fab.

I turned the Assistant Head with responsibility for pastoral issues the other week, when I went to rant at her about proposed resources for a whole school PSHE day.

Genderbread unicorn promptly went in the bin. Debate on sex-based stereotypes in school & the workplace went on the agenda.

Large chunk of the credit to JKR, to be fair - AH had vaguely heard about that, was agog at the details, & agreed it was ridiculous & vile the abuse JKR got for, as she concluded, 'well, she didn't say anything nasty & it was all just common sense, wasn't it?'

PUUULLLL.

@Bordois you're right. So many men cannot see nor comprehend it. I showed DH a video of a Canadian woman who filmed a man following her for over 45 minutes, all around a city. He followed her anywhere from 10ft to 50ft away, turning right when she turned right, going left when she did, even walking around the same block in circles at one point, him crossing the street when she did and back again when she did and walking was all he was doing. Walking behind her.

After about two minutes of watching the over the shoulder video I saw it for what it was. A Male intimidating, scaring and threatening a women. But my DH took most of the very long video, with added prompting from me to finally stop saying, "Yeah but he's not actually doing anything though" and "He's just walking. He's allowed to walk!" to "oh that is a bit creepy isn't it?" And my husband is a sweetheart! Wouldn't ever think to be like that.

But he doesn't get it.

I think a lot of men "get it" in the same way as a white person "gets" racism. When its over there happening to people then although we can say how terrible it is, and how it shouldn't be happening we don't really understand how it can infiltrate everyday life and how it makes you feel even when "something" isn't happening.

Its going to take a lot more men actually having the realities metaphorically slapping them around the head for any actual change to happen. Which means women and children being hurt.

@Abhannmor Irreversible Damage is a very easy read though it was upsetting in places so I had to take breaks.

I didn’t nod along with every word and rolled my eyes once or twice. It is very American but a real eye opener. I haven’t read Helen Joyce book yet.