I've turned my husband and he's turned his employer

The term is used to describe gay men who were were born by a C-section procedure, meaning they’ve never touched a vagina.

‘platinum star gay’ what the hell is that? Who decides?

I made a tiny bit of progress with dd1 who told me I’d made her realise how often drag humour is at the expense of women. She also told me that she hates the term platinum star gay. I have hope, but her starting point is that I’m wrong and TWAW.

Brava @Nonmaquillee! I have a silly grin all over my face having read your post. Absolutely love it.

Good on the shop worker for listening and asking you about the name of the book.

Oops - book has been nominated for the award not actually won it 😬😬 sorry!

Winner will be announced end of July.

Which book prize was that? (Good for you though - my family are used to it these days).

I was browsing in a well-known bookshop a few days ago. A woman roughly my age - a member of staff - approached me and asked me if I had read a particular book that was on the table (perhaps it’s part of her job to find out what customers are currently reading?). We chatted for a few minutes - she was obviously really knowledgeable - and then she gestured towards a table with a big pile of the same book and said:

Have you read this one? It won the Women’s Prize for Fiction recently?

Me: No, and I am not interested in reading it - it was written by a man (NB: the shop isn’t very busy but I have raised my voice a little so others can hear). The prize should have gone to a female writer.

Her: (looks taken aback and obviously not sure what to say) says nothing

Me: (keeping voice slightly raised and enunciating very clearly) I mention: men in women’s spaces/toilets/changing rooms (gesturing at my DDs) and I don’t want my daughters to go into a public toilet to find a man in there just because he says he’s a man. Women and girls need privacy and to feel safe.

Her: saying nothing but listening intently

Me: I’ve read an excellent book recently - Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier (I then give her a couple of salient points from the book eg ten years ago, this ideology didn’t exist/social contagion/ Internet) Also mentioned how such stereotypes were being broken down when we were children but now they’ve risen their ugly heads again.

Got interrupted by my DC who needed money. Woman went off to the till. Just as we were about to leave, she came over to me and said:

What’s the name of the book again? I’ll look for it.

Went out and elder DD furious with me for having what she called a “feminist rant” in public and how I shouldn’t express my opinions. I set her straight, too.

It felt good 😌

When I first became enlightened, I was very much "OMG, you won't believe this..." but now I wait and am more subtle in my approach. Everyone is coming from a different place regarding their knowledge and perception of this issue so I tread carefully. At work I tend to throw in a few shockers like "rapists in women's prisons" as part of the general chit-chat. We were discussing women's football once so I innocently commented that most of the Iranian team were men. One of the younger members of staff immediately piped up "I haven't got a problem with that". I replied "unless you were a woman who lost your place on the team" to which he replied "er, um, er, um, er yes, you've got a point there".

A lot of people really don't want to go along with TWAW but feel guilty if they don't. All they need is someone to give them good reasons why their gut was right all along.

Sometimes people not getting riled up doesn't mean they don't "get it" either. They may just be placid people in the general run of things. It doesn't mean they won't step up when there it comes up in their life.

So I don't think people should necessarily feel discouraged when someone seems to take it in without a lot of commentary.

Both DH and DS, in the course of business, spent most of Tuesday in the company of a transwoman of mature years, who DH described as lovely and really helpful. Apparently she told my DS that "I wish the woke generation - that's your generation - would just go back to sleep!" and poked her finger at him just for good measure.
That's the sad thing though, isn't it? The old-school TWs were generally fine, respectful of boundaries etc. Then this generation came along, turned it into an all-encompassing crusade and will cause a societal backlash which will hurt the old-school respectful TWs.

I'm loving these stories, we should definitely have a monthly thread along these line. Here's mine from April:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4231811-The-reach-of-speaking-up-The-ripple-effect

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I'm not sure @RedDogsBeg I just slipped past it, sorry

I've got DH about 80% turned but I know if I'm hectoring, it'll turn him off so I tend to read things on my phone in the same room as him. I do the whole tutting/sighing/fuck's saking under my breath thing and when he asks I tell him. I will reel him in entirely eventually. Baby steps.

I share an office with a male biology graduate and he totally gets it. Yesterday we were chatting about NB (DD identifies as such and a client has just decided to) We got on to chatting about Hubbard and a 30 something female colleague overheard. She joined in and was surprised at how much the ideology has taken over. I will be quietly, carefully working on her in the future. Baby steps.

I emailed DS's middle school this week about an event they were running and had this response:

^Good morning
Thanks for your mail.
Yes, with regard to paragraph 3, the word gender is used as the 'softer' term where we will deal with issues of sexism. I do appreciate the nudge you have given me though to be aware of the gender / sex absolute definitions, its right to raise this.^

Baby steps.

I feel much emboldened recently. I think I've just got to the point where I think Fuck It. I'm done with this shit. But I can be massively a little bit ranty so I'm trying not to turn people off by being shouty.

Apparently she told my DS that "I wish the woke generation - that's your generation - would just go back to sleep!" and poked her finger at him just for good measure.

Sounds like a good wish!

DH thought I was getting worked up about nothing until the backlash against JKR just for stating the bleeding obvious. Now he totally gets it.

Adult DS however insists TWAW whilst completely refusing to discuss it (because he knows he's wrong but can't admit it.)

Both DH and DS, in the course of business, spent most of Tuesday in the company of a transwoman of mature years, who DH described as lovely and really helpful. Apparently she told my DS that "I wish the woke generation - that's your generation - would just go back to sleep!" and poked her finger at him just for good measure.

Well done op. I chaired a meeting this afternoon of about 20 - roughly half men/women most in their late 20s early 30s. For good reason it cropped up that someone said something about two roles swapping genders. I said ‘sex’ is being swapped, surely? Two young women clocked it and nodded vigorously. A few looked confused as if I had said something questionable but then had nothing to say and we moved on. Drip drip just keep on speaking truth and fact.

Well done OP.
There are a lot of parents popping up on here asking for advice about how to ensure that their child's school is not pushing dangerous myths and stereotypes and that dire lobby group propaganda posing as SRE education is put in the bin and not taught to young children. So encouraging.

The recent AIBU thread that's just closed was very encouraging to see so many women standing up for women's rights.

When sleeping women wake, mountains move

Sad when it’s the men who have to push this bolder up the hill though.

Yes, but they won't be witch-hunted as women can be. And also, isn't better to have men on side, rather than them getting "woke" progressive points by giving away women's rights.

On the other end of the scale, I saw a job listed today at a new transgender clinic in my area (I was doing a general job search).

Apparently my county is expanding provision so it can bring down waiting lists.