Drag and misogyny

That's a very masculine way of reading that!

I read it as "Yet again you are ignoring what specific posters are telling you. That we are all one Lump of Woman as far as you are concerned." You are unaware of the online persona of the poster you are responding to!

Hint: go and check which posters have told you they are gay!!

Who was it who asked for examples of homophobia? What? You think a critical review of a standard drag queen act is itslef homophobic?

And doesn't that presuppose that all drag performers are gay? I though we/they had transcended that these days?

What has happened to you recently? I am sure you used to have more 'bite' than this!

I don't think you are aware of who you are talking to

Yes, because when they are in drag it is a character.
Just like in acting, whether on the stage or on your telly.
They're not saying they actually are a woman.

.... Yes, so their drag characters are misogynistic. What is the point in this distinction? - it changes nothing.

How many times do we see gay people object to the stereotypical portrayal of themselves by straight actors.

They're not saying they actually are a woman

You don't say!

Draq queens are referred to in the third person 'she' in in reviews. If it was any other group it would be called 'appropriation'. But because it involves gay men, it's fine.

By all means, stay mad and stay ignorant

I don't think you are aware of who you are talking to.

Next you'll come up with a drag act which mocks the mad cow who likes a shag even when she's 'on'. Let's call her Mad Shagger.

They're not saying they actually are a woman. Yeah, cos I go round pointing at my (often vajazzled) minge screeching "fishy fishy", wearing glitter gowns and 2 foot stilettos!

Jesus wept! How many times!

I will take that rephrase and will add it to my post, becasue I thinkt the basic/simplistic point still needs to be made for any newbies. But I will modify it AdHominemNonSequitur

Ooh, matron!

I guess this is some kind of cultural reference here that I don't understand.

Whataboutism. Like saying, "What women are speaking out in favour of fathers who don't get to see their children as often as they'd like?" That's what you're doing.

No. That is a false equivalence and quite a weird one at that. It would be like someone identifying that there is a massive cultural issue in their industry and not talking publicly about or trying to do anything about making cultural changes in the industry.

It would be nice to see a drag queens speaking out against misogyny. But to be honest, they've got enough to speak out against.

Again. There is that 'these people have enough to deal with without them dealing with the fact that their industry is rife with misogyny'.

Tell us then.... when would be a good time for performers in that genre of entertainment to deal with the fact that they, or if not them individually, there colleagues, are perpetuating hate against women?

*Your argument is that "all drag is misogynistic".

I disagree.

If you reframed as, "drag can sometimes be misogynistic" you wouldn't get the same reaction. Nobody's denying that misogyny exists. People are disputing the rubbish here that all drag is misogynistic.*

My argument is that drag as a concept is pretty misogynistic. If they want to portray their "feminine" side there is absolutely no need to refer to themselves as women whilst doing so. That implies you are portraying actual women, not an extreme version of yourself, and that is something that in reality you have no experience of and, as another oppressed group, we do not need to be made light of by you. It's tone deaf at best.

The performers will obviously vary in terms of how misogynistic they are, but all of them would be better allies to women if they did not refer to themselves as such whilst performing.

And yet they choose not to listen, and accuse women of not listening to them, instead 🙄 No change there, women are used to being told to shut up and listen to men. But the hypocrisy is astounding.

femininity being a shared characteristic of stereotypical women and gay men

Can you describe what you mean by 'femininity'?

Sorry if there are too many 'innies' in there, I get stuck.

Other than femininity being a shared characteristic of stereotypical women and gay men

I'm not buying this explanation.

The negative feminine portrayals are often highly sexualised and in a way which promotes the slag , whore, tart cliches; which many women feel really very offensive....because they've had these terms used on them many times, and they are not remotely funny.

People are disputing the rubbish here that all drag is misogynistic. Or explaining why the moment a man dons his female suit and goes off to perform he is, by very defintion, being misogynistic.

If he was a good performer, funny, political, etc, he wouldn't need the clown female suit. He could make his point without reference to a hyper sexualised feminine form!

Bit confused by the accusations of homophobia. Where?

You could keep pontificating about it. Or you could listen to gay people

And gay men could listen to women, too.

So you are a singular gay man, yeahbut?

Drag queens don’t claim to be female

But they are routinely referred to as 'she', even when not performing.