Drag and misogyny

You could take you own advice yeahbutnaw and stop trying to abdicate yourself from responsibility for your own actions.

Drag is misogynistic to it's very core.

Shall we get back on the discussion on why the drag culture supports such deep misogyny?

The attempts to deflect and distract are getting really ridiculous now.

< Some women find drag offensive because of the misogyny we often see >

''No it isn't!''

< We give examples of drag misogyny and downright cruelty, eg making jokes out of miscarriages and using the unique name of a murdered child >

''Well..well.. not all drag queens, take it up with the ones that say that shit!''

< We talk about the ones that say that shit >

''Omg, you homophobes!''

Another day, another 'women with an opinion that isn't the same as mine are all terrible meanies, and if only you listened to X you'd see the error of your ways'🙄

You are being deliberately disingenuous.
Of course they are.
Why engage with a discussion about misogyny and misogynistic attitudes of men when you can shout at women, tell them off, and tell them to listen to men more?

You might. 99% of the posters here don't even accept that view

I think you'll find you are wrong on that. Many/most women here have long been gay allies.....via their friends, or their sons or other family members. Many have also felt very let down by many gay men in recent times, as the loyalty shown does not seem to be reciprocated.

Gay men are the oppressors of women too. It's men, not just straight men. Why do you think what you've said above is a trump card when it can be said right back at you?

Stop trying to abdicate yourselves from responsibility for your own actions.

why are you so determined to tell women to put up, shut up, and listen to men?

And why don't you answer questions like the one above, but carry on mansplaining and barking orders such as 'Explain'?

'Like everyone else here, you're saying that drag is bad because a drag performer did a bad thing. That's a logical fallacy.'

You keep talking about a performer as if it is one-off examples. It's not. This is terminology and stereotypes which are used across the drag community. You are being deliberately disingenuous.

Repeating something louder doesn't make it any more accurate, I'm afraid.

Point to the straight people, here, anyway.

I'll repeat it loudly for the people in the back.
WOMEN are homophobic too. Straight people are the oppressors of gay people.
Not just straight men. Women too.

Stop trying to abdicate yourselves from responsibility for your own actions.

Oooh that's us told.
Naughty women discussing misogyny really ought to stop it and know our place.

I'll repeat it loudly for the people in the back.

WOMEN are homophobic too. Straight people are the oppressors of gay people.

Not just straight men. Women too.

Stop trying to abdicate yourselves from responsibility for your own actions.

*You might. 99% of the posters here don't even accept that view.

They would still oppose drag even if they were entirely mute.*

Oh, you're sure all 99%, are you? Not all posters have said that so it's a logical fallacy to mention it.

These aren't things that are inherent to drag, so why do they merit a response?
Because they are part of drag culture and you are repeatedly glossing over what many people are saying in favour of shouting people down and telling them they need to listen to men more.

Like everyone else here, you're saying that drag is bad because a drag performer did a bad thingThat's a logical fallacy.
See my first post where I said men wearing stereotypically female clothing and make up to perform is perfectly OK and I have no issue with that because clothes are just clothes.

Anyway, back to the problems within drag culture.

There is a lot of misogyny running throughout and you seem to be dismissing women's concerns by arguing they're homophobic, should listen to men, and that actually drag is a form of challenging oppression.

I'm curious how:
Stage names linked to abortions and miscarriage are fighting oppression of gay men
Stage names and content that demean women's sexuality fights the oppression of gay men
Acts that focus on narrow stereotypes of FEMALE behaviour fights the oppression of gay men
Content that mocks and ridicules female genitalia fights the oppression of gay men
Personas and Acts that promote a very hyper-sexualised and demeaning image of WOMEN fights the oppression of gay men

How exactly does punching down on another group fight oppression of gay men?

And, perhaps more interestingly, why are you so determined to tell women to put up, shut up, and listen to men?

3. How does demeaning women and female sexuality fight the oppression of gay men

By portraying really offensive feminine stereotypes it makes them look very naughty. Like they don't give a shit if people think they are girly?

I wonder why one of the best-known Australian drag performers was known as Doris Fish rather than Doris Wombat or Doris Wallaby?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Fish

'everyone else' '99%'

You are fond of sweeping (and inaccurate) generalisations, hyperbole and the grand reach, aren't you? As well as the insults. Tedious.

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yeahbutnaw.
I know you're very busy putting women in their place and telling them to put up and shut up, but I'm still interested in your argument that drag is about freeing gay men from oppression.
I can't help but notice that you've successfully avoided these questions twice already, unless I missed your reply.

1. How do stage names mocking abortions and miscarriage fight the oppression of gay men?
2. How to misogynistic jokes about women's genitals fight the oppression of gay men?

And to add a few more:

1. How demeaning women and female sexuality fight the oppression of gay men?
2. Why exactly are you seemingly obsessed with telling women to put up and shut up?

These aren't things that are inherent to drag, so why do they merit a response?

Like everyone else here, you're saying that drag is bad because a drag performer did a bad thing. That's a logical fallacy.**

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this! Drag is bad because it uses the humiliation of women as a way for some men to get back at other men who humiliate them. It is misogynistic to its core.

yeahbutnaw

You mainly just stand out because you post over and over again but never answer anyone's questions, you just keep saying #notalldrag.

You're a thread hog, basically.

How much a hive-mind Mumsnet must be if I've made that much of an impression when I barely use the site.

People who dissent from the hive-mind must really stand out.

Oh. and this is another great example of that distraction and deflection. Thanks for not addressing any of the other issues in any depth.

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They would still oppose drag even if they were entirely mute.

Like everyone else here, you're saying that drag is bad because a drag performer did a bad thing. That's a logical fallacy.

Nope. Drag has been criticised for it's overarching premise - males mocking women.

How much a hive-mind Mumsnet must be if I've made that much of an impression when I barely use the site.

You area actually quite a regular here and you know it.

People who dissent from the hive-mind must really stand out.

No. Your posts are not outstanding in anyway except in the complete lack of nuanced discussion and that they are never supported by evidence or considered discussion. The posts always seem to have the intention of shaming women.

The good is though, that often they highlight to readers exactly the weak points in your statements which are frequently 'all or nothing' and derogatory.

I still think now it's more a rejection of patriarchy rather than about mocking women

Yeh, we get that! But why then go on to use the terms used by that patriarchy to demean and insult women?