Drag and misogyny

running through drag which is different from the panto dame/principal boy cross dressing to which it’s so often compared

But actually I think pantomime dames are pretty misogynistic.

WOMEN are homophobic too. Straight people are the oppressors of gay people.

Not just straight men. Women too.

And GAY MEN are often every bit as misogynistic as any other men. Not just straight men, gay men too. Men are the oppressors of women.

The symbolic Function splitting of the symbolic maternal object into good (omni available) and bad (withheld) breast, leads to splitting into good feminine (self/feminine side/woman doing exactly what the ego needs) and bad feminine ( other/real women/women thwarting ego needs)

Gay or straight, It's always the mothers fault. Real or symbolic. Didn't you know?

Well you probably shouldn't base a worldview on what one person thinks?

That's not listening to gay man. That's listening to a gay man. Singular.

She, as a woman, doesn't need to listen to any men, gay, straight or bisexual, to understand whether something is misogynistic. Because it's not up to men to decide for women. Hope that helps.

The best they can muster is whataboutery, hyperbole and slurs and that is the limit of their compelling argument for perpetuating the hideous misogyny of drag.

shedbuilder

I don't think you are missing anything. I think that it is clear that it is punching down because they fear the reception of other males.

And yes, we are women who won't acquiesce.

It is not just women who have a problem with drag either. I've sat with men when Ru Paul's show has come on and they have asked for it to be turned over as they find it stomach-churning.

Are these drag queens homophobic?

attitude.co.uk/article/drag-sos-stars-cheddar-gorgeous-and-anna-phylactic-reveal-why-they-wont-use-the-term-fishy/22435/

They seem to agree with us on the misogynistic language point.

Also:

Cheddar, who along with Anna and the other queens of Drag SOS helped to give Lorraine Kelly a royal drag makeover for Attitude's January 'Activists & Allies' issue - goes on to explain that the term, which has found its way into everyday use following the rise of shows such as RuPaul's Drag Race, is "out-of-date" and "offensive to women".

Everyday use. It's not ''just a few''.

Oh sorry I didn't realised we had reached the ad hominem flounce.

They didn't respond to the point about straight men or Trans Women doing female impersonation drag either.

Not sure I can put this into words, but I'm wondering what all this escape into the despised other, as it were, is about? What's the psychology behind wanting to dress up as something else in order to demean and belittle it?

Most of you here are more clever than me. What am I missing?

I can't help but come back to the earliest transwomen I knew, fiercely angry with women who wouldn't do what we were told, absolutely desperate to be accepted as women while behaving like the worst kind of destructive, angry, woman-hating man. Lacking any vestige of respect or understanding of what it really is to be a woman.

Yeahbutnaw, you manage to incorporate a straw man arguement into an incorrect accusation of a generalisation fallacy, it really is quite, quite mesmerising.

Hang on, so any criticism of drag is automatically homophobic?
I believe so as drag is all about fighting the oppression of gay men, apparently.

We're yet to be graced with an explanation as to how the features many of us are discussing empower gay men though. Funny that.

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This!!!!!!!!! Brava Let's get ready.

This is an article by a woman who enjoys watching programmes like Ru Paul's Drag Race but also acknowledges that the misogyny of it is a problem - m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ashley-clarke/rupals-drag-race_b_4957651.html

With that yeahbutnaw insults women who discuss misogyny and flounces out the metaphorical door, having conviently refrained answering questions of substance related to the debate.

How long till the comeback?

And another.

Mentions Danny La Rue. Makes me think now how much drag has changed over the past few decades.

www.vice.com/en/article/vb9yb9/uk-drag-scene-misogyny

Hang on, so any criticism of drag is automatically homophobic?

Drag artists can talk about women's genitals being disgusting and 'fishy', make jokes about women's 'tuna tube', use names like 'Anna Bortion, Cheryl Hole, Malestia Child', name themselves after murdered little girls, perform fake abortions as part of their 'hilarious' drag act, wear fake comedy breasts, take the piss out of women as part of their act, caricature the stereotype of women being 'bitchy'....

And we aren't allowed to object to any of it because that is 'homophobia'?

Sorry but Fuck. Right. Off.

I don't care if men want to spend 8 hours dressing up as one of Cinderellas ugly sisters and trowelling on 1KG of putty filler.

What I do care about is the language they use. It is highly offensive.

I'm appalled at what has happened to Shedbuilder and the drag movement definitely needs to consider the overall attitude and police themselves, but if you somehow banned them from wearing dresses those individuals would still be nasty bastards.

They would, but they wouldn't get so much of a free pass to do it to women, and it wouldn't be seen as progressive.

Another interesting article here, MK Fain:

4w.pub/is-drag-misogynistic/

' The shameful reality is that men have little motivation to listen to women they aren’t trying to fuck. Our complaints largely go ignored.

If we want to see more good drag that truly allies with women, gay men need to hold their communities accountable for the sexism they perpetuate. Drag is just the start.'

[quote Shedbuilder]I wonder why one of the best-known Australian drag performers was known as Doris Fish rather than Doris Wombat or Doris Wallaby?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Fish[/quote]
Hmm. Curious.