A Belfast court judgment has been hailed by as a “landmark” moment in UK transgender rights by influential campaign group Stonewall.

@yeahbutnaw
You asked: Has there been a statistically significant increase in incidents of violence against women in countries that have Self-ID? Your point being, there hasn't. No one else mentioned violence stats prior to that post.
The claim is yours therefore the burden of proof is on you.

Please could we see the government statistics that back up your assertion that violence against women was static before and after self ID were introduced.

Burden of proof fallacy.

Do YOU follow or are you going to be obtuse?

Do you think policy should be based on feelings alone? Or should it be evidence-based?

If the latter, why is everyone here so reluctant to provide and discuss evidence?

Here's evidence. Male and female offending patterns are different. What on earth could cause a massive 59% increase in the Irish Women’s prison population since 2015?

“The daily average number of women in custody has continued to increase year on year since 2015,” it says. “The number of women committed to prison (excluding fines) has increased from 278 in 2017 to 442 in 2018, an increase of 59 per cent.”

www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/number-of-sex-offenders-in-irish-prisons-forecast-to-rise-in-coming-years-1.4024265?mode=amp#aoh=16214369182115&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

When did self-id begin in Ireland?
That'll be 2015.

But very kind of you to encourage us to post all these facts again for the lurkers and those new to the subject. So kind of you yeahbutnaw, really helpful.

Surely the onus is on transwomen to prove that they are at significant risk of harm from others if they use the facilities of their biological sex? Then if such evidence exists, have a conversation about how to mitigate that risk.

Don't assume there is a risk and then assume the solution.

Stop tagging me, I’m on the thread yeahbutnaw

There has been lots of evidence in the UK due to organisations getting ‘ahead of the law’, it’s very easy to find, one example is the vast majority of sexual assaults (including voyeurism) in changing rooms take place in mixed sex changing rooms, not single sex. It’s been posted on here frequently.

Sexual assaults and even rapes of female prisoners by men who ‘self-identified’ as women have been talked about on here and in mainstream newspapers. You must have missed those I suppose.

I say the evidence of mixed sex facilities and the negative impact on women, is sufficient to show that mixed sex facilities are detrimental to the participation of women in public life.

I can't help it that yeahbutnaw doesn't understand mixed sex and single gender is exactly the same.

My DD 12 has been subject to sexually explicit comments from men, walking home from the bus in her school uniform. This is what some men will do in broad daylight, in plain sight. I hate to think what they'd do when nobody's watching.

Should DD have to chance being alone in a gym changing room because a biological male claims to be a woman?

Or is it best she chooses to exclude herself?

We KNOW that there has been an increase in violent crimes committed by women but we have no idea how many of those violent crimes were committed by females because that data is not collated.

I know you know this because you have been on other threads where this has been discussed, FOIs discussed and specific individuals discussed.

You can post your disingenuous questions as often as you like. We can all see through it!

Of course, you don't think that's an issue - do you?

Women - show evidence that letting biological males into your space may increase the chance you could be harmed. Otherwise you're talking crap basically.

I suppose your view of women who don't want to be incarcerated in prisons with males is that they "chose" to be there by being convicted of a crime and handed a custodial sentence?

One more incident would be too many. One more woman or girl is too many.

Thanks @TheFleegleHasLanded

That's what I figured. No evidence that there are measurable consequences of self-ID.

Plenty of anecdotal evidence. Not our fault that the powers that be don’t want to actually gather ANY evidence that would prove their policies are stupid and dangerous.

Is that a "no" on the evidence then?

Tough luck, women & girls - the men are taking your spaces and you have to put up with it.

Nobody is counting them are they? Why does it always have to be ‘well assaults haven’t increased’. Do women not deserve dignity and privacy as well as safety from assault by males?

Exactly. Is the bar for women being able to participate in public life, go swimming, to the gym, use public toilets, really 'not be assaulted'? Nothing about comfort and dignity? Women don't seem to deserve these very basic human rights.

‘Chose’ To remove herself?

Wow. When someone shows you who they are......

Nobody is counting them are they? Why does it always have to be ‘well assaults haven’t increased’. Do women not deserve dignity and privacy as well as safety from assault by males?

You weren't excluded or forced to do anything. You chose to remove yourself.

The point is that Self-ID isn't a new concept. It already exists in several countries and has for several years. If these consequences you talk about are founded, you can surely provide some statistics that demonstrate it?

Are we only concerned with violence, then? Do girls and women just have to accept the invasion of their privacy

I'ma woman who has been forced to terminate membership of my local gym because of their policy of self-id into the women's changing rooms.

I cannot countenance encountering a male in a room where I might be naked and vulnerable. I don't want to see a male changing in the same room as me.

No violence has happened - I'm just now excluded from my own space.

Your comment makes no sense. If you wanted to know if trans women experience more violence than cisgender women, you'd do a cohort analysis on both groups.

By all means, please do that. I'd love to see the results.