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Stonewall hide organisations signed up as Diversity Champions

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/05/2021 13:32

This morning Stonewall have hidden the list of all the organisations signed up to their diversity champions award behind a member's log in. Could this be connected to the Essex University report confirming that they have been offering wrong advice about the law to organisations? Are companies getting cold feet about being openly connected to them?

Recommendation from the Essex Uni report:
The University should give careful and thorough consideration to the relative benefits and disbenefits of its relationship with Stonewall, bearing in mind the issues raised in this report. In particular, it should consider that this relationship appears to have given University members the impression that gender critical academics can legitimately be excluded from the institution.

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MaudTheInvincible · 19/05/2021 21:59

This thread by Lachlan Stuart caught my eye https://twitter.com/Lachlan_Edi/status/1394755025449234432?s=20 Smile

Stonewall hide organisations signed up as Diversity Champions
Stonewall hide organisations signed up as Diversity Champions
Cleanandpress · 19/05/2021 21:49

I expect this will trigger a massive row between the various chamber sets. Some want to interpret the law Stonewall way and some won't.

It's a shit show staring all the barristers willing to line up and say men are women versus all the barristers who say really?

This fight will run and run.

In the meantime I am betting on the fact that we all know the truth.

teawamutu · 19/05/2021 21:41

That's a lot of money to misrepresent the law.

What I'm interested in is when they started misrepresenting the law - and how. Because surely the people in charge must have known. Was it a conscious decision? Mission creep?

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/05/2021 20:45

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

A shame they overlooked Stonewall's contributions to the university having trans inclusion policies that were not in line with the law and led to the university committing discriminatory acts against women

I'm sure you will be astounded to find out that the BBC are Stonewall Diversity Champions...

Surely not - they're meant to be a neutral media organisation, not signing up to an organisation that argues against women having rights, sports, safe single sex spaces etc..... Grin
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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/05/2021 20:41

A shame they overlooked Stonewall's contributions to the university having trans inclusion policies that were not in line with the law and led to the university committing discriminatory acts against women

I'm sure you will be astounded to find out that the BBC are Stonewall Diversity Champions...

ArabellaScott · 19/05/2021 20:38

@Theeyeballsinthesky

5 x staff earn between 70,000 - 79,000

2 x staff earn over 100,000

I love annual accounts Grin

Wow, I'm in the wrong game. That's a lot of money to misrepresent the law.
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MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/05/2021 20:35

ItsAllGoingToBeFine
Good that the BBC have picked this up. A shame they overlooked Stonewall's contributions to the university having trans inclusion policies that were not in line with the law and led to the university committing discriminatory acts against women.
Wonder if other leaders of stonewall champion organisations (now hidden from public view) think about all the advice they've been given that doesn't comply with legislation - equality, safeguarding, health and safety as well as inclusion. As well as the awful consequences that more illegal guidance will have for women and children, the financial consequences from litigation could be massive.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/05/2021 20:25

The BBC have also picked it up here

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-57170095.amp

The report itself is also very well written and readable, and the substantial redactions mean it isn't that long Wink

MiddlesexGirl · 19/05/2021 20:17

@howtocomplain

Which is the best article on the Reindorf Report for someone new to this, do you think?

It's a shame the Times is paywalled :(

Does this work? I've not tried doing a share token before so not sure -

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/essex-university-chief-sorry-after-free-speech-row-9hk3nbml6

GreyhoundG1rl · 19/05/2021 19:29

@MinecraftMother

I had a lot of fun reading the Reindorf report. The uni have said they'll incorporate all reccies, except the one to reconsider Stonewall as a partner...
Even after being told quite categorically that Stonewall misinterpreted the law? Hmm There has to be a very unsavoury reason why they'd choose to do this.
SmokedDuck · 19/05/2021 19:27

I'm curious, are there other organisations that have similar schemes like this, in other areas? I think there might be something environment related, and I'm sure there must be some others.

But Stonewall's is so huge, you have to wonder how it became a thing. It's almost lie many businesses and organisations feel they have to get the certification.

MinecraftMother · 19/05/2021 19:08

I had a lot of fun reading the Reindorf report. The uni have said they'll incorporate all reccies, except the one to reconsider Stonewall as a partner...

Heidi1982 · 19/05/2021 18:51

@howtocomplain

Stonewall must be hoping no one contacts their champions list and makes sure they know about the Reindorf Report from Essex University and related news stories and feminist commentary on this.

It would be deeply ironic if the act of them hiding the list, meant lots of people were inspired to do just that, wouldn't it? ...

Wow, I've just read the report into Essex Uni, it's damning, and actually says the Uni applied the law not as it is but how Stonewall would like it to be.
merrymouse · 19/05/2021 18:42

Bearing in mind what we know about Alison Bailey’s case and now Essex university, I suspect they are concerned that people will contact the champions and ask for details of advice given by Stonewall.

allmywhat · 19/05/2021 18:42

I see on Twitter they've just launched a new digital thingy, and the only comment is 'nobody cares'.

The "digital thingy" looks like it might be worth keeping an eye on though.

equalrightscoalition.org

Since its establishment in 2016, the ERC has worked to bring together governments and civil society in pursuit of a common goal to advance the human rights of all people, and to ensure their inclusive development, regardless of their sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, and sex characteristics.

...blah blah the usual bland pablum with careful sex-eliding and gender gibberish language but there are 42 governments involved and it was established in 2016, the precise year that a lot of us would pinpoint as the year the insanity really started taking off. It's interesting.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/05/2021 18:33

@Theeyeballsinthesky

5 x staff earn between 70,000 - 79,000

2 x staff earn over 100,000

I love annual accounts Grin

All that money and they still don't understand the law, facts or science. They need to be paying some of the ££££ back Grin Grin
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Theeyeballsinthesky · 19/05/2021 18:28

5 x staff earn between 70,000 - 79,000

2 x staff earn over 100,000

I love annual accounts Grin

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/05/2021 18:12

@SunsetBeetch

Jesus what on earth are they doing with all that money???
Paying themselves some very large salaries I expect.
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teawamutu · 19/05/2021 17:58

@SunsetBeetch

Jesus what on earth are they doing with all that money???
Trying to do away with sex-based rights for women.
GreyhoundG1rl · 19/05/2021 17:41

@ArabellaScott

Well, well.

I see on Twitter they've just launched a new digital thingy, and the only comment is 'nobody cares'.

😂
ArabellaScott · 19/05/2021 17:37

Well, well.

I see on Twitter they've just launched a new digital thingy, and the only comment is 'nobody cares'.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/05/2021 17:08

I thought you just paid your money to be champion which got you training and stuff, and the hoops are for the workplace equality index?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 19/05/2021 16:58

@bitheby

It's not as easy as just paying the money to become a champion. There are loads of hoops to jump through. A company I once worked for looked at it and decided against it due to all the things that were required.
That’s the thing isn’t it. Not only do you pay money ti be a champion But I’ve no doubt stonewall can also sell you consultancy to help you correct all the things you need to do in order to get through the hoops
SpindleWhorl · 19/05/2021 16:54

It's not as easy as just paying the money to become a champion. There are loads of hoops to jump through.

Well, yes. That's what we're saying. And it looks like many of them are not grounded in law. Some Stonewall 'hoops' take the applicant away from the safety of the law into the choppy waters of not-law.

bitheby · 19/05/2021 16:49

It's not as easy as just paying the money to become a champion. There are loads of hoops to jump through. A company I once worked for looked at it and decided against it due to all the things that were required.