More celebrities coming out as non-binary

[quote MondayYogurt]Demi Lovato is trying to distract from her recent froyo incident.

Demi Lovato Addresses Backlash to Her Comments About 'Triggering' Visit to Frozen Yogurt Shop

[[https://people.com/health/demi-lovato-addresses-backlash-about-triggering-visit-frozen-yogurt-shop/]][/quote]
And her nonapology afterwards.

(Very apposite username you've got )

Even when famous people - like Izzard - have expressed their variability and/or a relaxed attitude towards pronouns used in their absence, there exists a group of people who are determined to seek out mental health injury from other people “misgendering” such famous people, not even themselves. It’s a strange mindset.

But these people only seem to be impacted mentally when people they don’t like “misgender”. They don’t seem upset when Mermaids do it.

As far as I can tell, it’s damaging to the mental health of those who believe in such a thing when they read or hear about “misgendering” being done to famous people, and are offended on their behalf. Of course there is no way whatsoever that Lovato or anyone else whose pronouns they’ve demanded people change will ever know how I refer to them.

Exactly. Unless DL specifically said to me "you think I'm a woman, don't you?", I would be able to avoid the question. Unfortunately with a lot of these people there seems to be a need for drama and attention and they do want to force people to either say something they don't believe or "misgender" them, as a power trip and a dominance display.

What I found sad is that Demi implied that in order to be able to properly express her gender, she/they had to be “non-binary”. I find that so regressive I could weep.

I grew up being told that as a girl I could do/say/feel what I wanted. I could wear what I wanted, do my hair how I wanted, play with whatever toys I wanted, follow whatever career I wanted, etc.

Now NB seeks to dig up those long-buried stereotypes and push them round on a platform like f**king deities! Short hair cut - boy, don’t want to do sexy poses - boy, feel sensitive and cry easily - girl, have a mix of those things like 99% of the whole bloody human race - ooh, non-binary! Much applause all round!

I feel sorry for Demi and I think they’ve had a number of difficulties in their life, but this announcement is sad - not for Demi’s sake as much as for the many young people who will think it’s cool, and swallow these ridiculously old-fashioned stereotypes and then label themselves and try to squeeze themselves into stupid, pointless and restrictive boxes.

I am yet to have it explained to me why third person pronouns don’t refer to a person’s sex. Why does he or she refer to a person’s gender identity all of a sudden? Who decided this? When did it come in? Who made it the law of English language? Why do I have to comply?

One could argue that it is the people perpetuating the false message that people like me wish Demi harm, are the actual people who don't have Demi's best interests in mind.

Quartet has a nice ring but so does Multitude...

I hope they are called ‘them too’.

Oh oh - apparently Them Sam and the person who announced they were ‘them’ this week have recorded a duet (insert your own joke here).

Ahhhhh bit it makes ‘sense’ (kinda)

Not to be facetious, I genuinely don't understand how a complete stranger 'misgendering' someone when they are not within earshot, is bad for their mental health. How? If I ever have a conversation with Demi Lovado (unlikely), I will say 'lovely to meet you Demi'. Demi will never know that I believe Demi to be female. Polite friendly chat. Everybody happy.

Misgendering people can be really bad for their mental health.

Gaslighting is really bad for MY mental health, which is exactly what this is. My mental health is equally important as DL's so I'm going to do what is right FOR ME, because I am pretty sure that DL has enough issues surrounding frozen yoghurt to be too worried about my opinion.

HTH

It's not ideology.

The doctrine of gender identity is not based in material fact but faith. The belief that an inner feeling overrides biology and from that idea flow various other ideas about how society ought to be organised and what laws we should have. Disbelievers are treated not as agnostics but as heretics, to be punished and silenced. That is about as ideological as it gets.

Misgendering people can be really bad for their mental health.

Demanding that I ignore my own beliefs and knowledge in order to pander to a stranger's beliefs is bad for my mental health. I'm astonished that you would resort to this. Prioritising the mental health of complete strangers over my own is inimical to my wellbeing and runs counter to self-care principles. I also find it incredibly offensive and hurtful that my polite and respectful refusal to espouse your belief is framed by you in this way. That you seek to shame me into submitting to your demands is obnoxious, preposterous and, in my view, qualifies as coercive behaviour. You do not own me, my thoughts or my beliefs. I will not bow down to your religion. Get over it.

And maybe think about how cruel and selfish your attitude is. It's pretty much the same attitude that reigned in the country I grew up with. And that was a totalitarian state.

Why do people care if there are some individuals who don't wish to identify as female or male?

Male and female aren't identities, they're sexes. Why do people want to 'identify' as sexless?

I know a child who has just told people they are non binary. They don't have any issues, aren't following a fad, don't want any drama or attention. Just quietly getting on with things.

Why does this child think they are 'non binary'? What do they think this means? What do you think this means?

A lot of disappointing hate on this thread. Why do people care if there are some individuals who don't wish to identify as female or male?
I know a child who has just told people they are non binary. They don't have any issues, aren't following a fad, don't want any drama or attention. Just quietly getting on with things.

The kids at school have, fortunately, all been very tolerant and accepting. Quite unlike the bunch of vicious posters on here.

It's not ideology

It is.

Gender ideology is bad for many people’s mental health.

Demi goes by they/them pronouns

Demi doesn't get to choose the words I use. If Demi asked politely I might go along with the request, but inside I'd still be going "she really" so what's the point?

I don't believe in your ideology.

And this.

Demi goes by they/them pronouns. Stop misgendering them. /gen

I don't believe in your ideology. So I certainly won't genuflect to it by having anyone dictate to me how I can refer to someone who isn't even here. In the same way I am not demanding that you refer to me in a particular way when I am not there or demand that you stop mis-sexing. I could, of course, do as you do, but giving authoritarian orders to others is not in my nature.

I use sex-corresponding pronouns. Or none. Depending on the rules of the space I'm in. But I certainly won't bow down to totalitarian demands based on a harmful ideology. I got enough of that growing up under a totalitarian regime. And despite the Staasi, the jail terms, the relentless propaganda, people still found a way to defy the demands of those criminals who ruined ran my country. As we are finding ways now.

She had quite a lot of serious issues and nearly died of drugs. I think she has brain damaged as a result.

Demi goes by they/them pronouns. Stop misgendering them. /gen

🤣 Demi has literally just changed pronouns. People won’t always get it right when they’ve been used to Demi being she/her for so long.

So.......go away. HTH