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When did the dialogue change?

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Whatonearth07957 · 18/05/2021 18:38

Feel I have to pre-empt this by saying absolutely everyone should not be discriminated against for sex and gender. But when did it get accepted that women's sex based rights should be eroded. I watched Sky news need this morning and zero challenge to the assertion trans were the most marginalised group. Surely there can be a 3rd way approach that protects women only spaces that are based on safety? I just don't get why this is controversial and you are somehow an evil zealot to be concerned about this. It seems as though all dialogue is completely polarised. I'm second guessing myself but with consent and safety measures adaption is possible but not if concerns can't be reasonably addressed?

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OneEpisode · 18/05/2021 22:15

In the UK Stonewall became a trans charity (Theoretically also LGB) in 2015.

FrankButchersDickieBow · 18/05/2021 21:51

Should have stated, my comment above applies to the UK

FrankButchersDickieBow · 18/05/2021 21:46

Transwoman most marginalised and vulnerable in society.

Transwomen killed in the last year = 0
Biological women killed in the last year = 2 a WEEK minimum.

Lemmen · 18/05/2021 21:43

It changed after Stonewall did I think.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/05/2021 20:44

I'm reading the Transsexual Empire by Janice Raymond, right now. It was published in 1979 and then republished in 1994. The same dynamics were there, out of the mainstream. It's free to read, on her website.

Childrenofthestones · 18/05/2021 20:29

Maybe when Zuby, to prove the point, self declared himself female to take the women's snatch and clean world record, then promptly self declared himself male again.

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Whatonearth07957 · 18/05/2021 20:13

Birth certificate? Is that even possible? Clearly I know very little and there's not much I can do other than vote but no one discusses anything anymore. Its Piers Morgan identifying as a penguin or rabid aggression. I feel sorry for lesbians as the most marginalised group.

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ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 18/05/2021 19:50

But when did it get accepted that women's sex based rights should be eroded.

When it became legal to change sex on a birth certificate?

Blackopal · 18/05/2021 19:46

Creeping in for years with it escalating madly in the last seven, I think.
When was the Spartacus thread? That was around the time people started to take notice for many.

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Whatonearth07957 · 18/05/2021 19:42

I only really became aware after the aggression from JK Rowling's essay. It seems so unnecessarily angry and designed to terrify anyone from asking straightforward questions about how best to protect *women and you can't even seem to distinguish that word anymore.

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Manderleyagain · 18/05/2021 19:20

It's been a long time developing, but I think an awful lot changed and it became unquestionable between 2012ish and 2017. That would be my guess. But I think we all realised something's up at different times. Some people realised what was coming before then.