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University of Essex apologises to Jo Phoenix and Rosa Freedman for infringing their freedom of speech

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RoyalCorgi · 18/05/2021 12:57

Both Rosa Freedman and Jo Phoenix had invitations to speak at the University of Essex rescinded because of their "transphobic" views.

The university's vice-chancellor has now conducted a review and concluded that the cancellations were wrong.

twitter.com/jophoenix1/status/1394604603300253696

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persistentwoman · 18/05/2021 17:49

My heart goes out to those of you working in these toxic uni environments. Flowers

The report makes chilling reading and I'm so pleased at the outcome. Every single time these issues are taken to the courts / legal review the flaws at the heart of them are exposed with the sticky hand of Stonewall apparently behind so much 'misinformation'. This organisation needs to be removed from its position of unchallenged influence and forced to comply with the law.

highame · 18/05/2021 17:46

This is all just so fantastic. I wonder how Edinburgh will view those findings because they are dealing out the indirect discrimination cards by the handful and what about Raquel Rosario's case, she must be due a shedload of compensation. Can't wait

AuntyFungal · 18/05/2021 17:46

The report covers material relating to gender that some readers may find distressing or triggering. We have put in place a number of measures to provide support for members of our community who may be affected directly or indirectly by the issues raised.
RedDogsBeg

I would expect to see support for other members of the university’s community, who have felt victimised and intimidated for holding GC views.
Yup, I would be pushing hard for this.

GenderCriticalEssex · 18/05/2021 17:35

Essex is the home of the infamous woke-bro TRA, Dr Matt Lodder. His areas of academic expertise are tattoos and porn (most of his publications are in a journal called Porn Studies) and he loves telling women to STFU. So I am not surprised at how toxic it is there @GenderCriticalEssex. Solidarity to you and yay for the report. Let’s hope that the rest of the universities who have engaged in this follow suit.

Thanks @Pota2

It's so sad. In many ways Essex is a fantastic place to work, but the failures on this issue make things very very difficult. The report recommends work to repair relationships between trans and GC university members. I can't see how that can possibly be achieved.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/05/2021 17:27

Exactly. If women cannot advocate for rights legally provided for in the Equality Act 2010, such as female spaces and services (aka gender critical feminism or in other words women centred feminism), it is creating a hostile environment for our sex class, which may be unlawful harassment and/or discrimination.

yourhairiswinterfire · 18/05/2021 17:23

Wow - I realised it was written by an independent external reviewer but hadn't appreciated it was an expert in discrimination law. That gives a lot of weight to the stuff about Stonewall's misrepresentation of the law and the fact that the university may have been illegally discriminating against women

Time for every woman who has suffered because of it to take legal action?

Soontobe60 · 18/05/2021 17:22

@Chrysanthemum5

Blimey - this from the twitter feed
Boom!!! And there it is, in black and white.
Fernlake · 18/05/2021 17:13

@Thecatonthemat

The message this sends out is clear. Why these institutions still suck up stonewall toxicity I have no idea. Let’s hope the others see the writing on the wall. If only Stonewall did...
I agree. What is the point of being a stonewall champion, when they lead you to look ridiculous and misogynistic and you are forced to issue public apologies.

Certainly for numerous people now, gay and straight, it's a warning, not an accolade.

Fernlake · 18/05/2021 17:09

@slug

249.As for indirect discrimination, the decision taken in relation to Prof Phoenix may contribute to indirect sex discrimination against women at the University,on the basis that more women than men tend to hold (and publicly express)gender critical views140. If that can be shown, it can be argued that women are more likely than men to be put at a disadvantage by a practice of excluding gender critical voices.

Ooohhhh!!!!!

And I'm assuming that if Stonewall had achieved their goal and eliminated sex as a protected characteristic, women wouldn't even have recourse to this.

Its appalling.

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep · 18/05/2021 17:06

Stonewall head of media is stepping away for a year's sabbatical due to dreadful transphobia (though he doesn't identify as trans) rats leaving a sinking ship per chance? We can only hope

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep · 18/05/2021 17:04

This feels genuinely exciting!

LizzieSiddal · 18/05/2021 16:59

I’d like to know what the Charities commission think of this review, in respect of Stonewall’s deliberate misinterpretation of the Law.

MidsomerMurmurs · 18/05/2021 16:56

@RedDogsBeg a cynical person could conclude that Stonewall are guilty of deliberately mis-framing the Law and misinforming institutions, public bodies, private businesses et al

Agree, and actually a dispassionate impartial observer would conclude that too. No cynicism required; Stonewall’s behaviour is there in plain sight.

teawamutu · 18/05/2021 16:44

@RoyalCorgi

This wasn't written by anyone at Essex Uni though they commissioned it. It was written by specialist discrimination barrister Akua Reindorf of Cloisters Chambers instructed by solicitors Eversheds.

Wow - I realised it was written by an independent external reviewer but hadn't appreciated it was an expert in discrimination law. That gives a lot of weight to the stuff about Stonewall's misrepresentation of the law and the fact that the university may have been illegally discriminating against women.

That's even more encouraging and exciting.

I hope all the other universities are taking note...

RedDogsBeg · 18/05/2021 16:42

@RoyalCorgi

I cheered when I read that, wish it could be the main headline in every newspaper tomorrow.

You know what? It won't even be in Times Higher Education. This ought to be a huge story for THE, and yet it has resolutely and obstinately refused to cover the silencing of gender-critical academics. It's unbelievable.

Looking at Google there appears to be an article about this in the THE online posted about 16 minutes ago. I'm not a subscriber so couldn't get further than the headline.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/05/2021 16:22

Lodder is a prize clown, as well as a misogynist.

FlibbertyGiblets · 18/05/2021 16:15

Ooh thank you.

TrifleCat · 18/05/2021 16:11

I genuinely think that Stonewall need challenging time and time again about what their purpose is, where they receive money from and what they spend it on.

RedDogsBeg · 18/05/2021 16:05

Give me strength, this from the preamble to the Report by the University:

The report covers material relating to gender that some readers may find distressing or triggering. We have put in place a number of measures to provide support for members of our community who may be affected directly or indirectly by the issues raised.

Fgs.

This though about Hate Crime Laws should be widely disseminated and certain parts put on billboards with big flashing lights and klaxons:

^However these laws do not contain a standalone offence of inciting hatred on grounds of transgender identity, and indeed no such law currently exists (although there are laws relating to incitement to hatred on grounds of race, religion and sexual orientation). Thus, the University would not be able to restrict a person’s freedom of expression on the sole basis that it suspected that the speaker intended to incite hatred on grounds of transgender identity, since
this would not be prescribed by law^.

Excellent comment in the report regarding Stonewall and their framing of the law how they want it to be not how it actually is. Also excellent recommendations about the application of the Equality Act.

It is amazing how whenever Stonewall edicts are looked at from a legal standpoint they are found to be wanting, a cynical person could conclude that Stonewall are guilty of deliberately mis-framing the Law and misinforming institutions, public bodies, private businesses et al.

A weighty, devastating and objective report and recommendations and about time too.

Flowers Professor Phoenix and Professor Freedman, the witch hunt, abuse and threats directed against you are appalling.

RoyalCorgi · 18/05/2021 16:03

This wasn't written by anyone at Essex Uni though they commissioned it. It was written by specialist discrimination barrister Akua Reindorf of Cloisters Chambers instructed by solicitors Eversheds.

Wow - I realised it was written by an independent external reviewer but hadn't appreciated it was an expert in discrimination law. That gives a lot of weight to the stuff about Stonewall's misrepresentation of the law and the fact that the university may have been illegally discriminating against women.

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VickyEadieofThigh · 18/05/2021 15:23

@teawamutu

Lodder has expressed 'solidarity and love' with someone who feels unsafe because of the report. Hmm
"Unsafe".

Blimey, what a time it is to be alive when (perfectly reasonable) words are "violent".

VickyEadieofThigh · 18/05/2021 15:22

@slug

249.As for indirect discrimination, the decision taken in relation to Prof Phoenix may contribute to indirect sex discrimination against women at the University,on the basis that more women than men tend to hold (and publicly express)gender critical views140. If that can be shown, it can be argued that women are more likely than men to be put at a disadvantage by a practice of excluding gender critical voices.

Ooohhhh!!!!!

Let's hope this leads to others re-examining themselves and their policies.

The free rein this nonsense has given too many people to throw women's rights under the bus and treat us with not even thinly-disguised misogyny is quite astonishing.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/05/2021 15:18

243 - discussions about trans rights are not hate speech or harassment

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/05/2021 15:15

232 - leaflets are not a hate crime

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/05/2021 15:14

I'm reading through properly now. Section 226 is very useful on the right to deny people access to the facilities of their identified gender.