Woman's Hour today (Monday) discussing the change back to single sex toilets

At least they discussed it. I suppose they feel they have 'permission' because it's come from the government. They have to have a good reason to discuss anything about women's sex based rights and not just sweep it under that massive bloody rug. I'd love to see a breakdown of the responses from listeners.

The obvious and only solution is single sex AND unisex provisions available. Because inclusion means it works for everyone's access.

In an ideal world yes but in so many places this just won't be possible. I think we need solutions that work within existing facilities.

Still, this is a huge step forward for WH.

Strikes me that someone has picked up on the fury that MF wasn't interviewed about her case. Or any discussion about the impact of the loss of our rights in law.

And to have two mighty GC brains on the programme - I think that this is positive.

Bet EB is GC. Bet she is. She's got endo, she understands what it is to be female.

I think the Conservatives are learning now that policy development informed by Twitter is (a) not much of a vote winner, (b) often unlawful, and (c) frequently unhinged.

I can absolutely see why Mimmymum was so outraged that Woman's Hour should be talking about women's toilet provision today.

Well I can. When you feel that you are so righteous that you can interject whatever the 'International day' theme is into shaming anyone not focusing males in a positive light, I guess discussing women's toilet provision the first opportunity after the report is released is problematic..... Because, the reality is, that it will NEVER be the right time to discuss it as we have seen, including International Women's day, Lesbian visibility week or a day to discuss the violence against women and girls.

Those days also come too close to a day (too close being a day, week or month adjacent) where we should be centering males, to discuss women's toilet provision. We can't take the focus away from males in some activist's eyes.

#HopingOvaryBearersIncludeTranswomen sounded very plausible but I took one for the team and went to check it out. Apparently it's #InternationalDayAgainstHomo-Bi-Transphobia - who knew?! I can absolutely see why Mimmymum was so outraged that Woman's Hour should be talking about women's toilet provision today.

(Oh wait. No I can't.)

And the mixed-sex changing rooms I've seen in Germany are not designed as "changing villages" like in my local pool here, with plenty of open space for men to stand and watch. No, they are purposefully designed to maximise privacy, with no space available to just stand and gawp. (Coz you'd stick out like a sore thumb and block the way, two things sure to get you complained about swiftly.)

FFS, the Twitter comments. Who ARE all these people who let any random stranger use the lav in their house (bet they don’t) and genuinely don’t understand that personal decisions don’t automatically and unproblematically translate to public policy?

Much of what has happened recently has completely ignored the regulations, which also specify, in great detail, how many cubicles must be provided for women and how many urinals and cubicles for men depending on the kind of building, its purpose and its staff and visitor numbers.

Those recent changes from separate to mixed-sex facilities paid no need to these requirements, leading to increasing underprovision for women when that was already a problem in many buildings.

I caught a few minutes of this - there was a woman saying she couldn’t imagine what could be wrong with mixed toilets, if the stalls were fully enclosed. I very nearly called in to tell her that was the exact circumstances in which a man attempted to rape me, in France ten years ago. He was waiting in the opposite enclosed toilet.

I can’t imagine having such wide eyed innocence about this subject.

International Day of Action for ...?

I almost don't want to ask, but... #IDAHOBIT??

A few mixed sex single cubicle toilets alongside single sex provision is the way to sort this out. God knows why that is such a huge problem for some, it’s really the best of both worlds.

Because think how much division they could have avoided if they'd just been campaigning for a third space mixed sex/gender neutral toilet, third space changing room, third space dorm, prison, sporting competitions all along.

Here we go from mimmymum on Twitter:

Why are you platforming two trans-hostile campaigners - especially on #IDAHOBIT2021 - without including trans-inclusive feminist voices which represent the MAJORITY opinion?

Stoking hostility against trans people for listening figures on #IDAHOBIT is NOT a good look BBC!

Trans-hostile, the usual pathetic hyperbole. As for the majority opinion comment, time an again it has been shown that public opinion is not on the side of the TRAs.