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For anyone who doesn't know The Rules!!!!

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WhatyoutalkingaboutWillis · 15/05/2021 14:52

www.vice.com/en/article/mbdx7n/100-ways-be-trans-ally-tips

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stonecat · 15/05/2021 18:52

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SapphosRock · 15/05/2021 18:22

Fixed a few more:

  1. Do not fetishise trans folk lesbians. We are not your sexual experimentations. We do not want your penises.

  2. Learn what Mx No means.

  3. Trans Lesbian only groups are there for a reason. These are not your spaces.

  4. Your curiosity validation does not come before our comfort and safety. Don’t expect answers and labor.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 15/05/2021 17:59

Empress yes, hence my confusion

Hi OP Smile yes I think you're right! You couldn't be more different in your view on this though!

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 15/05/2021 17:57

Jellyslice I like those changes 👏

Erikrie · 15/05/2021 17:43

So navel gazing. I won't be following any of those rules. And any money I donate will be going to protecting women's rights and spaces.

stonecat · 15/05/2021 17:04

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SocialAffairsAndWoodlandFolk · 15/05/2021 16:58

Lots of religions aren't this thorough. It's a lot to remember. I'd suggest to the author making it all rhyme and putting it together as a song, or an epic poem.

Or, at the very least, making it a little more grandiose.
"THOU SHALT NOT QUERY THE LOINS OF TRANS FOLK. IF THOU HATH SINNED IN THIS MANNER, THOU MAY BESTOW UPON THE TRANS FOLK A PAYPAL OFFERING OF A FATTED CALF."

Which wouldn't make it any easier to remember, but if you're going to be a tedious, didactic, self absorbed, opportunistic arse, you may as well do it with style.

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PitchImperfect · 15/05/2021 16:47

I have an overwhelming urge to find a "trans space", stand in a corner & loudly chant "This is not my space, I will not fill it."

I mean, I won't, but I'd just be following the rules if I did, as long as I checked if "allies" were welcome first!

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Deliriumoftheendless · 15/05/2021 16:40

“It all reads like club house rules.“

Is the last one “No Homers”?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 15/05/2021 16:22

I’m just baffled that anyone over the age of 20 gives this self indulgent Kevin the teenager nonsense the time of day

I don’t blame teenagers for being self obsessed or thinking that they are privy to a whole level of knowledge that no one else understands because nooo ooonneee has been them and it’s all sooooo unfair

I very much blame the adults who have allowed this bullshit to invade 25% of organisations in the UK

PuttingOnTheKitsch · 15/05/2021 16:14

@Unsuremover

How many different ways did they mention being paid ? To explain being trans, as an apology, hired because they are trans, promoted because they are trans, offered help because they are trans. I get it your skint! But money does solve social inequality (I mean it’s a hell of a problem obviously) but for example rich woman were still losing their children in divorce so it’s not just a money can solve it issue!

Also is gender a thing or not? Genuinely asking. Don’t buy stereotypical toys for kids. But don’t say you don’t see gender. How can I make sure my daughter is playing with trucks and acknowledge that she’s a girl??? Maybe there’s soemthing else that could use?

It all reads like club house rules.

For people who would no doubt claim to be ardently anti-capitalist, it is so peculiar the eagerness they have to attach monetary value to everything.

Can you imagine if the answer to every fall out on AIBU was "Pay them some money".

risefromyourgrave · 15/05/2021 16:11

Number 9 is what gets me - ‘don’t refer to us as a whole’, but it’s perfectly ok for the writer of the piece to generalise every ‘trans folx’ experience. Confused

andyoldlabour · 15/05/2021 16:09

Is that article the hitch-hiker's guide to "Winning friends and influencing people"?

womanity · 15/05/2021 16:04

I couldn’t make it past 14 & 15. I’ll never know the rest, because my eye-roll-o-meter doesn’t go high enough.

Unsuremover · 15/05/2021 15:53

How many different ways did they mention being paid ? To explain being trans, as an apology, hired because they are trans, promoted because they are trans, offered help because they are trans. I get it your skint! But money does solve social inequality (I mean it’s a hell of a problem obviously) but for example rich woman were still losing their children in divorce so it’s not just a money can solve it issue!

Also is gender a thing or not? Genuinely asking. Don’t buy stereotypical toys for kids. But don’t say you don’t see gender. How can I make sure my daughter is playing with trucks and acknowledge that she’s a girl??? Maybe there’s soemthing else that could use?

It all reads like club house rules.

partyatthepalace · 15/05/2021 15:32

It’s certainly a way to full time...

Soubriquet · 15/05/2021 15:32

And another

92. Trans-only groups are there for a reason. These are also not your spaces.

So trans people are allowed their own exclusive space....but women aren’t?

Talk about double standards

Angry
Soubriquet · 15/05/2021 15:31

91. Pride is not for you to get drunk and smear glitter on your face. Respect that this is not your space.

No pride is not an exclusive trans space. Pride is about Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual AND Trans. As well as their allies.

lifeturnsonadime · 15/05/2021 15:31

@Soubriquet

Making my way through it but this is ironic Hmm

14. Do not enter queer or trans safe spaces without a queer person asking you to be there or without making sure that allies are welcome.

Isn't it just.
WhatyoutalkingaboutWillis · 15/05/2021 15:29

I've obviously got/had a doppelgänger!

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Soubriquet · 15/05/2021 15:26

Making my way through it but this is ironic Hmm

14. Do not enter queer or trans safe spaces without a queer person asking you to be there or without making sure that allies are welcome.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 15/05/2021 15:26

Correct yourself if you accidentally misgender someone. It doesn’t matter if it was an accident – it still hurts.

Correct yourself if you use ‘cis’ as a collective adjective for women who don’t identify as trans. It doesn’t matter if it was an accident - it’s still annoying.