I am sick of this shit

What do you expect?

Maybe some human compassion rather than a twattish comeback? What on earth do these people expect to achieve - they certainly aren't there to support anyone if they're more interested in policing language.

What was wrong with the comment? I think most of the alphabities understand biology well enough..

I'm sorry OP. I would be tempted to play them at their own game and say you were talking about women because they are the only cases you have heard about and isn't it rather transphobic to speak on behalf of a group you are not part of? Perhaps they would like to reconsider their response.

Gestational carriers..... Oh. Do. Fuck. Off. Dear.

Sorry for what you are going through OP

I want to know for the purposes of all the allies pretending this is about TM rather than TW, how many TM are currently pregnant, and how many have been? How many more than Freddie. I genuinely really want to know.

Sorry you had to experience that - I'd have left too. (I left a group I liked recently when some younger women started to go about policing what they called "terf rhetoric" - I just can't be doing with any of that rubbish. I miss the group, but I'm too old to be bullied.)

I hope you are doing ok, OP. It's rough and the last thing you need is some sanctimonious language policing from idiots.

I'm so sorry OP. Gestational carriers? Get in the fucking sea

For fuckings fucks sake.

I'm sorry OP

Argh! That’s so ducking annoying!!!!

The statement “many women are reporting cycle changes” says nothing at all about whether trans men or non binary folk have cycles or are reporting changes. Your statement isn’t even excluding anybody!!!

In a specifically lgbtq+ group I can see that assuming anyone looking to be pregnant is ok with being called a woman might be provocative but you didn’t do that. You used the word woman in a perfectly normal and accurate way that doesn’t exclude anyone.

What the absolute fuck is the matter with some people. I am so sorry you had to deal with that op - I would have done the same.

It always astonishes me how, even in a situation like this, women are expected to prioritise other people's feelings. And when it's other women doing the policing (I assume it is?) then it's an even harder kick in the teeth.

Wishing you all the very best

Someone jumped on your honest and open posts to play "victim top trumps" with it. That is callous and inappropriate and I would have left on the spot, too.

I'm sure there are more sensitive and supportive groups out there, though I suppose someone can always barge in

Is it worth asking the moderators whether they see that post as acceptable? If they do, you know not to go back!

Capitulate is right.
Fascinating to see how all that matters are feelings and people's truths... obviously not women's feelings and truths though, who cares about that?

Reminds me of people posting on Facebook etc demanding everyone 'be kind' (except them, obviously).

Bullying is rife. Someone rocking up asking me to edit my language would get a swift block from me, I don't entertain bullies.

Identity seems to attract bullies. Just block and don't engage, carry on without them, don't give bullies any time.

So sorry OP! Infertility is a bitch...my sister through years of struggle and the LAST thing you need is some self-righteous policing in the group that is supposed to support you. I would tell them why you are leaving - that their bullying is making this place impossible to feel supported.

I'm sorry OP.
How can telling utter lies be more important than listening to a woman talk about her biological based situation?

Fuming for you, you did nothing wrong. That person is a bully and genuinely stupid. You are better off out of that sort of 'support'.

Jfc. I'm furious for you!

So you aren't allowed to call yourself a woman any more? Gestational carriers? Where will this madness end. if you can carry and give birth to a baby you are a woman end of.

It’s infuriating isn’t it? Mumsnet is great for support through IVF, I went through it 6/7 years ago and had great support and gained a lot of knowledge and insight from some wonderful women on the infertility threads. Interestingly, I see a lot of their names popping up on FWR now that I’ve found my way here and I’m again learning from these amazing women.

I'm so sorry OP. I am really sick of people who loudly identify as kind but whose actions show them to be intolerant, thoughtless, power crazed and sometimes outright cruel. If I was trans I'd be horrified at people behaving like this on my behalf.

Any transmen (or females with other gender IDs) contemplating bringing a child into this world, are going to have a pretty rough time if they don't understand the vital need for words to have meanings when dealing with anything medical.

How about all those who purport to be trans allies stop perpetuating the lie that those who don't believe in gender ID wish trans people harm?

OP maybe you would have success starting a specific support thread on fwr?