Jancie Turner on Banning Conversion Therapy

They plan to include compelling someone to transition as a form of conversion therapy. This will allow “detransitioners” such as Bell to get funding and support as conversion victims

this is interesting, where is it from exactly?

A possibly interesting point to add here is that I can think of at least two cases (but suspect there are many more) where high-profile parents of transitioned children have literally written/spoken about the punishments and in some cases physical beatings meted out to their children in an effort to force them to conform to stereotypes of their sex, or stop behaviours the parents associated with being gay, before then going on to "trans" their children.

Susie Green has been open about her husband's attempts to force their child to conform, about taking away toys that were considered "wrong" for a boy, and more. Then there was that poor child in the US I think (or possibly Canada?) whose mum wrote loads of stuff online about how they had beaten and punished their child over a long period to stop them "acting gay" (I paraphrase slightly, but that was the gist!) before eventually deciding phew, "he's" actually a "she" so it's all OK. How can this possibly not be considered as attempts at gay "conversion therapy" by the parents, and if it is clear in that case, surely the transitioning of the children after that must be seen as a continuation of the process by other means?

And here is Patrick strudwick straight in with tje exact tactics we know will be used

inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/conversion-therapy-assault-psyche-consult-1001891

Every example he uses is about sexuality and it’s truly truly awful. Of course no one should be attempting to convert gay men or lesbian women to be straight

But of course he ushers the T under the umbrella too insisting that it too is “innate” and conflating the horrific experiences of the things five to young gay men in his piece with psychotherapists being able to fully explore with gender non confirming teenagers exactly what is going on with their lives that they feel the need for surgery and hormones for life

It would be such karma if the Stonewall campaign for a conversion therapy ban, ruled out encouraging transition for gay children or suggesting that they may really be a ‘boy in a girl’s body’.

Horrified gay clinicians at Tavistock told Dr David Bell, who wrote a whistleblowing report, that many parents were keener on medical transition than their child was or appeared to be reciting an activist script.

This is why it is so important for young people to be competent to give fully informed consent to any medical interventions and that parents shouldn't be able to consent on their behalf if they are not capable of consent.

Changing to parental consent (as the fox killer campaigns for) would allow homophobic parents to trans away the gay in their children.

Ministers were alarmed by the judicial review against the Tavistock won by Keira Bell, a troubled young woman who was prescribed puberty blockers and testosterone by the centre, and who had a double mastectomy she regrets. They plan to include compelling someone to transition as a form of conversion therapy. This will allow “detransitioners” such as Bell to get funding and support as conversion victims.

I thought this was very interesting. The lawyers will be circling Mermaids et al if this goes through...

parents who seek cures for their “effeminate” boys or “butch” girls should take note.

yup.

many parents were keener on medical transition than their child was

like that poor 4 year girl in the paper the other day

many clinicians feel they have witnessed, even been expected to participate in, gay conversion themselves. Tavistock patients are overwhelmingly gay, including 90 per cent of girls. For some parents outside big liberal cities there is more stigma in saying your little girl is a lesbian than a boy “born in the wrong body” who doctors can fix into a straight son. Horrified gay clinicians at Tavistock told Dr David Bell, who wrote a whistleblowing report, that many parents were keener on medical transition than their child was or appeared to be reciting an activist script.

more sunlight

I am not sure the law needs ro get involved here as in this environment it is a blunt instrument.

Professional bodies should discipline members who try and to convert homosexuals but is it wrong for a church or other organization to do so if they say up front that is their aim and if anyone signing up for it is over 18?

When it comes to the trans issue it becomes absurdly complex, are affirmation models trying to trans the gay away? I know what I believe. I know others differ but how you set this out in law is any one's guess

I had worried much needed counselling of Young girls struggling with puberty and questioning their gender could be swept up in the completely acceptable banning of gay conversion therapy. Janice's take on this, almost turning the tables, is interesting.

I didn't know conversion therapy still happened in the UK.
Yes, it should be banned.
Appalling.