Law Student Faces Disciplinary Action - Abertay Uni (Dundee)

This is a related point, but I was really shocked when this article came out, but I then thought this coddling of feelings at university was more of an American thing. This article describes how some law students think they shouldn't have to learn about rape law, or even discuss it.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trouble-teaching-rape-law

"Student organizations representing women’s interests now routinely advise students that they should not feel pressured to attend or participate in class sessions that focus on the law of sexual violence, and which might therefore be traumatic. These organizations also ask criminal-law teachers to warn their classes that the rape-law unit might “trigger” traumatic memories. Individual students often ask teachers not to include the law of rape on exams for fear that the material would cause them to perform less well. One teacher I know was recently asked by a student not to use the word “violate” in classas in “Does this conduct violate the law?”because the word was triggering. Some students have even suggested that rape law should not be taught because of its potential to cause distress"

That is often said on here although tempered (supposedly) by the qualification that all men have the potential to be rapists. Personally that seems like splitting hairs.

Do they think that every case they deal with as lawyers will be “sanitised” so it’s in accordance with their own screwed-up ideologies?? Are they going to turn down working on cases if they don’t align with their own world view? Reminds me of the young members of staff who worked for JKR’s publishing company who refused to work with any “transphobic” writers. Just unbelievable.

Very disturbing all around especially that those who reported are the next generation of solicitors and lawyers

Okay, this is crazy, can't we have any discussions nowadays? It's not like this woman directed some hate towards an actual person! What is now known as 'hate speech' is ridiculous too. People who don't hate anyone and wouldn't say "boo" to a goose are having their careers and families disrupted and ruined by this nonsense. Let us discuss.

Unbelievable and chilling.

I hope Lord Lucas is reading that article. He takes a great interest in the issue of silencing discussion and debate in academia.

I’ve posted a comment on the Times article, suggesting that the staff at Abertay (an ex technical college) should pop across the city and ask the medical faculty at my alma mater - Dundee University- to explain the basic facts to them which show that Keogh was simply stating the truth!

I have always been quietly feminist, maybe as a response to my mum who was a strident feminist in the 70's when she was a student, and It felt a bit overbearing with it. Although I now see why with the benefit of hindsight and the rights she was fighting for.
I now can feel myself becoming more and more vocal because it feels like we are becoming part of a society that is trying to erase all the things my mum fought for, but even worse, also the ability to point that out.

This whole thing is unbelievable. I’m furious.

I wonder what would happen if it was a biology student? Are they also not allowed to say such shocking things?

So pleased Joanna Cherry is supporting her.

So presumably once the investigation is complete, if done correctly, it will be the academic that is disciplined for bullying

Well, you would hope so, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

we can hope @sunshineandhappy we can hope

Glad to hear she's being supported by Joanna Cherry. A mother of two who's retraining to become a lawyer and doesn't self-censor in line with expected orthodoxy is exactly the type of person we need to enter the law profession.

I'm guessing that apart from Keogh there was a seminar group of libfem TWAW female students and some lefty blokes who were over the moon to stick the boot in. Being egged on by a biased and unprofessional university staff member.

I just read this in the Times. I'm so shocked. It seems an entirely sensible commentn to have made during a discussion, relevant to the topic. And this is the action taken?! Am I miss understanding the concept of "discussion'.?

Yeah I'm not a fan of the SNP at all, but Joanna Cherry QC is their one shining light.

I'm struggling to understand the dynamics of the debate group too. So there were 'feminists' who were talking shit about men, and another woman who may or may not consider herself a feminist, talking facts about women. And she's the one disciplined. Wtf

It will be interesting:

Ms Keogh, who is being supported by Joanna Cherry QC, the SNP MP for Edinburgh South West

This is absolutely chilling. I hope she sues the university if this is taken any further, but I’m sick to death of women having to raise money for this nonsense!

Actually, given that this is Scotland, not sure that the OIA is an option and the student isn’t a consumer in the same way. Still, I think a counter-complaint is appropriate here.

This is ridiculous. We don't seem to be able to make this stop. Frightening.

This seems to be framed as feminists who are behind the move to ban the student from speaking. This is so illogical, why would ”man hating feminists” be taking the position that women don’t have vaginas, or are not weaker generally , than men. I see something not right here. And so much for human rights when we can’t speak on certain subjects. In a live lecture she could not have been muted . Are all the student women? One of the articles implied that it was female students who were objecting?