Society feels so porn obsessed these days

@Temp023

I didn’t say it makes women free.
I think it doesn’t

I mean they are free too choose.

This is absolutely not the way things used to be. Yes, there was porn, but it was 'top shelf' in wrappers or behind the blanked-out windows of what used to be called 'private shops'. As a 20-something, there was only one university-educated acquaintance I knew who spoke like that to your face, and he had other issues going on in his life and ended up being sacked from work for inappropriate language towards women (yes, these sackings did actually happen back in the 2000s!). I find it extraordinary what young people have been groomed to think is 'normal' these days, how far the bar of male behaviour has been lowered. It feels like you're on a different planet. And it's notable how this new culture's favourite terms of abuse are aimed at demonising and silencing women with a lot of life experience, and who remember the 'before times' - TERF, Karen, 'OK Boomer', and get them kicked off Twitter and deplatformed at every opportunity (god, I feel like the old guy in Logan's Run!).

To quote a wise woman:
"Its deeply worrying that so many young women have been conditioned to believe that in all situations some men's wants/feelings are the priority."

Hang around here OP. I'm not one for echo chambers (and this isn't one as we don't all agree) but sometimes it's nice to be in company where you don't have to defend or argue ever single point of view.

Society is porn-soaked and I hate it too, though I'm not exposed to it as much as you are by the sounds of it.

You can ignore it but it sounds ever-present, if you challenged it would you be rejected or talked down?

It's very depressing that women are socialised to accept what's on offer with men who watch porn. It never ends well, the erectile dysfunction rates in men over 25 are reason enough for men to reconsider their porn-watching habits let alone the objectification of the women I assume they say they love or at least like a lot. Men who watch porn do end up struggling to enjoy sex with a real woman.

None of my friends or their partners are like this. Maybe you're just hanging around with the wrong people - most people are in fact pretty decent, respectful, moral individuals who don't buy into this pornification shit.

They all have their lips done.
A young woman was hanging around outside a shop I was going into the other day, orange skin, bleached hair and HUGE lips with a bluish tinge. They literally flapped as she talked to her friend. It sounds bad but honestly I struggled not to stop and state! My daughter knowledgeably told me the bluish tinge must be bruising and she had probably just had it done.
I can't imagine what these young women will look like in 20 years or so after repeated treatments like this.

I suppose it must be influencing this obsession with make up and body altering treatments.

That's horrible OP. How old are you if you don't mind me asking?

I'm mid 30s and nothing like this is on my radar with male friends and if our friendship group ever heard of a friend's boyfriend spending money on OnlyFans I think she'd be unanimously told to leave him.

[quote Justa47]@H2OConnoisseur

I agree is not very nice or classy.
But it’s also freedom.

I would keep my distance.[/quote]
What part of any of this is making women free?

My favourite book, “The Pursuit of Love!” set in the 1930’s. 10 minutes in, there are 2 girls in the bath together, rolling about in towels and talking about masturbation. Don’t think I’m a prude, but it’s like the only thing that is interesting is sex now.

More solidarity.

I also work in an industry where appearance is important. It used to be about helping people look their best and making women feel confident. Now it’s all about who’s the hottest and sexiest. Cosmetics now have porn-influenced names and young girls buy them. I used to love my job but for the past few years it has gotten depressing.

For me the saddest is how my younger coworkers are hyper focused on making themselves as hot and sexy as possible. They think it would be great to have a sugar daddy or a successful onlyfans. They spend so much money on waxing, hair extensions, nails, lip injections. They all have their lips done.

I’m sad. I want to hide under the covers and wake up fifteen years ago.

@H2OConnoisseur

I agree is not very nice or classy.
But it’s also freedom.

I would keep my distance.

Solidarity, sister.

It sounds like I'm a bit older than you and I can tell you that it was definitely not always like you describe (though it was getting worse when I was at university).

I'm so sorry. There are men out there who don't watch porn or get involved in all this stuff (though I'm sure they're a dwindling number). You don't have to lower your standards and accept it. Honestly, why would any woman want to be with a man like that? Would you want to have children (daughters?) with someone like that?

I'd be leaving that WhatsApp group too - they sound gross and the more women's hang around tolerating, the more 'OK' they'll think it is.

I honestly feel like the world has been getting a lot worse for women over the past couple of decades.