Stroke patient, 75, died as she lay helpless in hospital bed *content warning - sexual assault MNHQ*

This is disgusting

We need women specific wards and men - it trans women - should not be left alone with female patients.

Why are elderly, frail women not even counted in sex crime statistics? Is it because there are so many? Or is it because no one gives a fuck?

Or both.

I too think the thread title change has completely removed the entire meaning.

I was in hospital overnight recently following an urgent operation. I was on a mixed ward, split into single sex(?) 4-bed bays. I was with two other (elderly) women, the fourth bed was free. Overnight, the hourly/two-hourly observations (blood pressure, temp, etc) were conducted by two men, one of whom spend the time between obs on his phone on the spare bed. All three of us women were vulnerable and also having had operations on our throats, unable to make much noise. I didn't sleep at all for various reasons, but found this disturbing.

This is so shocking. It happened in the NHS, in England. Seems surreal, particularly as there also were multiple victims and patient poisoning deaths. Wtf? That hospital isn’t fit for purpose. It’s also disheartening that he cause of death wasn’t established until 6 months after she died - up until that point presumably everyone thought it was due to her stroke.

Then the murder suspect has been released on bail? Ridiculous. He’s under investigation for raping 3 women unknown to him, so what makes the police sure he’s not a danger to the public?

You would have thought the police would prioritise this investigation yet 2 years later it’s still in limbo. I know it is complex but after 2 years with no progress it is disheartening.

I think the title needs to be changed back. These utterly horrendous acts are being done by men to women and we have to face up to the facts, not obscure them. Yes it is upsetting, yes we would love it not to happen but obscuring what the issues are is not in anyone’s interest. Every health trust should be re-examining their policies on safeguarding and bloody well acting to change them to sex segregated, chaperones provided, and women and girls entitled to ask for female care givers. And we absolutely need to know this is happening. Raging and now furious with MN .

I think we all know that if there were such a thing as an all-female community it wouldn't be long before a gang of males targeted it and forced their way in.

No words. Disgust, horror, outrage - none of them really cuts it. Unbearable to contemplate this poor woman's pain and distress.

I want to run away and live in an all-female community.

I couldn’t agree more, it’s well over due!

Unfortunately we’re moving further away from it being a possibility.

This happened 2.5 years ago? What's happened since? Has he been charged?

This poor woman - 2 more women murdered in the past week (I’m sure the number is higher than that). Girl falling under train as pack of feral males harass passers by...

I am getting beyond anger now.

This question might not seem relevant now, but will this case be counted by the ONS or do they still impose an arbitrary upper age limit on rape statistics?

Thanks for the explanations. I missed the original title.

I think the original title was similar to the first sentence in this post by Ivebeen

Which, as you can see from Ivebeen's comments arguably had limitations already.

As usual, it's a balancing act between what different posters find acceptable.

What the hell? The truth of male violence is unacceptable?

[quote BoreOfWhabylon]@Gullible2021 Plenty of male doctors - who always had female chaperones - but all nursing and ancillary ward staff were female.

It would have been unthinkable for a man to provide personal care to a woman.[/quote]
Thanks for clarifying that there were male staff on the wards but they were chaperoned.

I completely agree that men (and to clarify ALL biological males) should not be providing personal care to women and should be chaperoned. I’ve been shocked how lax things have got in these areas. As a teenager of about 15, I had an unchaperoned male member of staff in his early 20s perform a breast examination on me unchaperoned. I felt horrible. Sadly since then, I’ve had more experience of intimate examinations being performed by men with no women present.

During the pandemic, a new young male GP asked me to come in to be physically examined. It was absolutely necessary. However, given most GP appointments are currently being given over the phone, the building was empty apart from the receptionist on another floor. I was really shocked to discover that no one else would be present and obviously I was undressed, lying on a bed being examined by a strange male with the door shut. There was no protection for me, I was too far away for anyone to hear if I needed help and at the end of the day I could have accused him of anything if I was a complete psycho so it wasn’t ideal for him either. I was in that room alone with him for 25 minutes. No one came to check.

Now, thankfully nothing happened. But when we live in a world where other woman have been raped and assaulted and even murdered by doctors, medical staff and even police then why are things getting less strict than they used to be rather than more strict?

Why aren’t we safeguarding women and girls?

In my local authority we have male midwives. Apparently we should be fine with that as they are gay and “no threat” to us. And a biological male practice nurse who is trans. If we express wanting a female to do our smears we are accused of being transphobic. Usually by female reception staff.

It probably all boils down to money, of course. And we’ve learned over and over that women’s lives aren’t that important.

As usual, it's a balancing act between what different posters find acceptable.'

Not when it completely erases the facts of what happened. That's not "balance".

@Gullible2021 Plenty of male doctors - who always had female chaperones - but all nursing and ancillary ward staff were female.

It would have been unthinkable for a man to provide personal care to a woman.

What was the original title?

I asked MNHQ similar R0 and got told:

'We received several reports that said the title was far too explicit, so we adjusted it a little. As usual, it's a balancing act between what different posters find acceptable.'