Girl pushed under train.

This happened at a train station about 20 miles away from where I live.
So shocking as I would use that station quite a bit.

It is my perspective that violence is not fought with more violence.

Well we deal with kidnappers by basically kidnapping them. Obviously the difference is that we have a formal process in place and only do it to the guilty.

You can find people (with experience of it) that say that corporal punishment did work in schools, and didn't have to be used that much because the fear was enough. Obviously you can also find horror stories where teachers were sadistic.

What I will say, is you're making an empirical claim, and you could easily be wrong. Violence may work sometimes. However, it's a "human rights violation" now so can't be tried anyway whether it works or not.

This use of the passive tense makes me sick.

Clumsy woman, she fell under a train.

On another thread, discussing the case of an elderly woman who had had a stroke being raped as she lay in her hospital bed and dying from her injuries, MNHQ has changed the title of the thread to remove any mention of the rape, so that now she "died as she lay helpless in bed".

Anything to repress the acknowledgement of male violence, even on FWR.

“An incident of assault that occurred”
A man assaulted a woman.

It was active. He actively chose to do that.

I signed the petition

Glad to see that they've named 3 of them on the youtube video posted upthread. Hope they DO get their comeuppance, but given the way the authorities all seem to have given in to the rampant misogyny that prevails everywhere at the moment, I doubt it!

All backlash to the "me too" movement, I believe. Women looked like they were starting to level the playing field, so that had to be stopped, obviously.

The comments on one of the articles I read were pretty bad too - one commenter even victim-blamed the girl who fell under the train and said she "should have known better" - better than fucking WHAT? She was running to catch her train, should she have known better than to travel home on the train? I mean, jeezus fuck, there are people out there who will twist ANYTHING not to lay the blame squarely at the feet of these young thug fuckers.

Makes me livid!

I grew up in a poor family in the most deprived area of a major city. Most people from similar backgrounds do not behave like this. If it were true that deprivation and abuse breeds criminality and abusers then there would be at least an equal level of female offending, but there isn't. There are people who've suffered terrible childhoods and situations who are actually made more ethical and empathetic by their experiences. There are traumatised people who wouldn't dream of inflicting pain onto someone else. Even if your choices in life are limited, even if your options aren't great, you can always choose not to behave like this. At a certain level personal responsibility has to be taken.

I reckon many of thier mothers were teenage pram pushers only having babies for the money and welfare benefits that goes with it

Yeah, it's always a woman's fault somewhere along the line.

If this is a law and order issue, then left/liberal political parties tend to be very soft on crime. So along the lines of "prison doesn't work", "smacking kids is a violation of their human rights", "blame society", "the police are racist", "defund the police". (Or with the "defunding" stuff it's getting that extreme from some in the US anyway.)

The Conservative Party are more likely to talk tough on crime, but they probably aren't going to do much these days either.

If this is parenting, then who to blame? Single mothers? Absent fathers? Both?

Are boys just naturally more aggressive? Or they are socialized into it somehow?

[quote Brokenpencilsarepointless]@SchadenfreudePersonified

It is not the victim's choice to press charges or not. That's an American thing. They will be prosecuted or they wont be, but that decision is down to law enforcement and the prosecution service. Which is why so many men get away with stuff; no one wants to prosecute an up and coming football star.[/quote]
This is just sickening.

Around these parts, the police are useless even with CCTV. You will find these yobs already have lawyers on the ready. The process moves at snails pace.

Gosh I hope they get the full extent of the law.

2 boys contributed to the fall. The one in the red top made a head butt move towards the girl (or else spat at her). Another boy behind him then immediately swung the wheel of his bike into her path. It is unclear if the bike struck her legs but the action was the cause of her falling down.

I reckon many of thier mothers were teenage pram pushers only having babies for the money and welfare benefits that goes with it.

Jesus

Christ

Give me fucking strength

Googled the guy and his football club put out a statement.
Well done for condoning violence, but they basically said he gets a fair hearing and then they’ll deal with it. Surely they have to suspend him pending an investigation and be seen to publicly do that?

I was thinking the same - where are the parents in all of this? Why are these groups of young lads allowed to get together and cause havoc. How would these boys feel if their their own mother was targeted like this? Would they be happy and proud? I reckon many of thier mothers were teenage pram pushers only having babies for the money and welfare benefits that goes with it.

These lads are minors so nothing will be done about them and they will be allowed to continue this. Imo the parents should be dealt with. Make the parents pay for underage criminals. I also think there should be a 2 or 3 strike rule and upon the third all social welfare benefits should be cut off from the family for a period off time say for a year. If there was a clear consequence of losing income for doing criminal harassment like this, there probably would be less of it.

If I behaved like this growing up and I made the police or Gardai go home and knock on the family home door, there would have been hell to pay from my mother. She never layed the consequences out or they were never clear but I knew if I caused trouble like this all hell would break loose from her.

Where are the parents in all of this.

Ireland will have to do something about this for domestic and international tourism. Who would want to visit Dublin or other cities like Cork and Limerick if people knew these random attacks were a possibility?

It is my perspective that violence is not fought with more violence. I am not making excuses for anybody. It is a pity solutions are not as easy as you think. The problem would have been resolved.

..do they not have mothers

Well he must have someone parenting him if he’s on the under-whatever team for Shelbourne FC. Someone ferrying him to training and matches, buying him boots and astros and all the rest of it.

Its the guy in the red puffer that causes the fall and desepite the fact he went back and seems shocked by the fall he should still be held accountable. There was no power in the kick but it is still to his shame that he did it and aimed it at the head of a woman. What are the parents of these boys teaching them...do they not have mothers

I lived in central and near-central London for over 30 years, as a young and then middle-aged woman, and never saw/experienced anything remotely like this. I live in Ireland now, but have in fact never been to Dublin. This does not make me want to go there.

We look at some countries where public flogging is acceptable and think, "Ugh. barbaric!"

Then I look at these lad and think, I almost wish we had public whippings.

I wonder how 'hard' these little bastards would act then.

Truly shocking. I hope they catch every one of these bastards!

I don't know what the answer to this kind of aggressive behaviour is, and I fear that maybe there isn't one. Every generation spawns a new lot of future violent misogynists, and the gang culture is so ingrained - how do you even begin to change that? I resent having to share the same planet as people like that, there is so much violence out there. Every time I go on BBC news there's something more - 19 year old man has killed 12 children and a teacher in a school in Russia today. Where is this aggression coming from????? Some people are born into this world to nurture and create, some people are born into it wanting to destroy. Is that nature or nurture?

That was absolutely disgusting. They should and could charge the whole group under the "joint enterprise" laws, assuming that it exists in Ireland.

States spend all their bloody money buying technology to solve a crime AFTER it has been done. Put police on the streets in numbers and stop it before.

Exactly!

Police forces cut to the bone, security staff afraid to intervene because the know that no-one dare step in to support them, and they could end up beaten to a pulp themselves; no consequences for the feral little bastards - often from decent families, they aren't all "dragged up" - even when they are caught.

This is just a recipe for social chaos.

@SchadenfreudePersonified

It is not the victim's choice to press charges or not. That's an American thing. They will be prosecuted or they wont be, but that decision is down to law enforcement and the prosecution service. Which is why so many men get away with stuff; no one wants to prosecute an up and coming football star.

A relative of mine taught in a very deprived school beside a very able young male teacher who just happened to have been educated in a very well known public school. Discussing the differences between such schools, the young teacher laughed when it was suggested that pupil violence would be worse in a deprived school. In his opinion the boys in this deprived school were mere amateurs when it came to being violent sociopaths.