Girl pushed under train.

It used to be when I was a child that teenagers behaving badly would risk getting hit by men on the street. It was a deterrent. Things changed once adults became too afraid to do this because it leads to them being prosecuted. And a prosecution for attacking a child will affect employment.
Now, these teenagers know there is nothing anyone can do.
So they do what they want.
It is horrendous, but I am not sure why anyone is surprised.

Those poor girls.

"I hope that's the end of that little bastard's potential career."

I agree, @stonecat - it shouldn't even be a question, but sadly there is every chance that he will be let off lightly so his career isn't damaged.

And people wonder why we don't want penis-havers in our toilets and changing rooms. Why do some people think we'd be safe from male violence in there when we aren't safe from it in broad daylight, in a public place.

It the tweet in the OP still available? The link doesn't seem to work anymore.

Cu

Signed petition and shared.

Much of the problem is the sentencing rules - the police could put many hours of work into this for the boys to be let off or given some community service.
The punishment needs to be unpleasanter, not necessarily prison

Yes, the woke tend to sneer at working class people who want politicians to get tough on crime. They don't seem to consider that a lifetime of being disproportionately affected by crime, and living in areas blighted by criminals, might give you some valid insight into the issue.

I agree with poster who said that when you are poor it's the badly behaved families and individuals who get the special treatment. There was also a sexist aspect to this too: girls were expected to behave well at school, boys were rewarded for not behaving badly.

So you believe violence against women is useful too, especially by husbands. Or any kind of violence obviously

I said nothing like that. That's a ridiculous misrepresentation!

In the adult world, punishment is only carried out by the state, so never by a husband.

You think violence is wrong. OK, as I say, even using prison as a punishment is a form of violence.

So I don't think that violence is always wrong. It can be defended in warfare, personal self defence, and yes, for punishment.

Personally I think your kind of position is actually dangerous and likely does a lot of harm. Your ideology will likely fail to protect the innocent, while posturing as being more "enlightened".

If this is a common occurrence then why haven't they got someone patrolling the train station to prevent this happening in the future

Those poor girls running as fast as they can, individually, trying to swerve to avoid those boys in what must be a common occurrence.

Vicious boys it's so shocking.

Lower the age of criminal responsibility. These are not children . If they are capable of doing that and then making the decision to just run away they are culpable .

It does happen in many towns and has done for some time. There’s a similar gang in the Guildford area that has been causing merry hell for a couple of years now.

“ If this is a law and order issue, then left/liberal political parties tend to be very soft on crime.”
Remind me who’s been in power since 2015...
The PCC in Surrey is Conservative and so was her predecessor. They have a policy of doing nothing about these kids. It’s the LibDems that are trying to get them dealt with.

Teenage gangs have been a problem for decades. In the 1950s, New York had a terrible teen gang problem that I understand has never gone away. One of them, Nicky Cruz, became an evangelist and set up an outreach to try and do something to help. Prior to that, he was leader of one of those gangs and they really did go in for serious crime, violence and murder. He was 15 or 16 when he joined.

One problem imv is that if the girl struck out and eg grabbed the boys foot pulling him off his bike she would be the one to be prosecuted, or if any other of the girls hit out at them ditto.
It's never taken into account that the boys are stronger so someone would be entitled to hit out in fear of what the boys fun might lead to. The weaker person is hamstrung by the law and unable to retaliate. 50 years ago you might have sent your big tough uncle and his pals to duff them up, this possible threat stopped much of this persecuting and sexist behaviour. Now the uncle would go to jail, the 'fun living' lads would laugh all the way to court.

Reminds me of some vair MC people we were friends with whose kid was jumped, mugged and had his phone taken (punch in the face for good measure).

Oh my god - is he ok?
Those poor boys, they come from the estates and have nothing (apart from a roof above their heads, food in the table - all the stuff they pinch), isn’t is a shame, they have no alternative....
No - your son - how is he?

Now poor DS got mugged by similar feral bike lads and it did shake his confidence for a long time. The polices take was - well it’s beating up other kids now, they will end up in jail (if they are lucky).

The Gardai seem to have little luck identifying the gang - but within 24 hours of it getting shared on Twitter several of them have named

Horrendous, and agree, although the girl being pushed onto the tracks is extreme and not common, the violence and intimidation shown is.

I work in a school, I have seen several incidents where a gang of boys (usually led by one or 2 serious troublemakers) intimidate a girl or a weaker boy. Its not necessarily a male against female problem but its definitely a male violence problem.

Who is bringing up these thugs? Parents who are poorly equipped to cope with challenging their difficult children (and lots of children are difficult), it often is people who (through a mixture of issues) end up as single mothers and/or with feckless partners/husbands who are thuggish themselves, the boys become like their dads.

Schools are powerless most of the time and the parents complain that their child "gets blamed for everything" meanwhile staff get called "fucking cunts" by these boys, who just get told to not do it again. Their parents get called in, who claim they are lovely at home, but as the boys get older, are often scared of them.

If they persist on this path, they will end up in jail, because they get off with it as teenagers but not as adults. Its insidious, and as someone who works with children that have the potential to end up like these thugs, very depressing.

Its a societal problem, footballers and other sportsmen are applauded but can often show serious aggression and these are the people these boys look up to. Too much aggression is tolerated on the pitch, shoving etc, our boys think its ok. If you do that in the street as an adult you'll be going to jail.

Shocking incident- hope those responsible are caught and severely reprimanded

As a slight aside - it appears the attack took place on1 April but had only just made media attention

www.thesun.ie/news/6940294/gardai-woman-train-track-howth-dart-station-dublin/

It might be relevant to point out that two separate young men have been charged in the cases of Julia James and Maria Rawlings. It's likely, if convicted, that these men will be released from prison still younger than the middle-aged women they killed.

www.thesun.ie/news/6949715/train-attack-dublin-howth-dad-terror-daughter-cctv/
Father talks about the attack on his 17yo daughter. She's ok but pretty upset!

It's many many years ago but I still remember my mum's anger and frustration. I am one of 7, brought up in poverty (60s and 70s) but with both parents working.

Her issue was that the kids causing problems were given holidays, taxis to school and general mollycoddling by do-gooders whereas we just had to get on with it and no holidays etc, and yet we behaved. As an adult now, I can appreciate that these kids were likely to be having issues at home etc. But at the time, I admit to also feeling hacked off that I was walking miles to school in the pissing rain while they sailed past in taxis and that we never had holidays and the treat trips that they got.

I also remember my mum commenting to a friend who had said to her that "she was so lucky since none of her DC were in jail etc" and my mum saying that luck had nothing to do with it.

So why do some children cause this sort of bother whereas others brought up in similar circumstances don't? Is it always parenting? I say this as the parent to two boys - well men now, neither of whom has ever been any trouble. DS1 was bullied as a kid who was from a middle class household though it was a mixed school. The parents were people we socialised with. Both DSs had friends from "the wrong side of the road" (exactly the same type of area that I grew up in) some in single parent families and they were the loveliest boys you could meet. It's definitely not just poverty or no male role model etc.

The idea that if you have the death penalty, you are teaching that it's OK to kill is absurd to me. Obviously, you are teaching only that it's OK to kill in very specific circumstances, and that generally it's very bad to kill
I think your argument is valid, but I think my argument is valid too. The problem of what to do with people who refuse to co-operate and follow society's rules, this problem is huge and thorny, there is no good solution.

Violence breeds more violence and capital punishment functions as the ultimate sanction for violence

Also would like to see evidence of this. Seems to me a nice little bromide oft repeated but never really backed up.