Girl pushed under train.

I saw this footage and it was horrendous! I actually jumped with shock when I saw her fall off the platform, and DH swore. I couldn't believe it. Just couldn't be;ieve it.

The girls were trying to avoid the boys from the off - they had obviously suffered this sort of abuse before - but were unable to get into a coach without going past the lads.

The casual contempt for them from the boys was horrifying: shoving, a brutal kick to the face, spitting in the girl's faces, and then that shove which could have crippled or killed that poor girl!

Apparently at least one of them has been identified and has a "promising football career" ahead of him - so I don't doubt there will be pressure on the girls not to press charges, but bugger that! Every one of those little bastards deserves to be punished for their behaviour.

Really really horrific!

There are local youths in affluent areas that cause trouble too - but the ones who travel out on the trains from other areas are an even worse group - much more openly aggressive and looking to start fights - when you see them you can picture them in jail in another few years.

It’s not just Dublin, I was in our town centre the other day, took the little ones into the loo and my 11 year old wanted to stand literally outside the door. It was 2 minutes tops and when I came out she was upset and said a group of boys came past “play fighting” and pushed her and told her to fuck off for looking at her.

When I told security they said that a group had tried to throw a child over the glass railings on the top floor the day before.

Last time I take my girls into town and their future won’t include shopping trips and a little freedom with their friends like mine did which is just heartbreaking. We need police on the streets and to get rid of this softly softly “don’t you touch my kid” bullshit.

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I presume you are talking about the girl ending up on the train tracks. I'm talking about groups of boys attacking passing girls.

Don't try to defend or mimimize this behaviour. It's high time it was addressed.

I haven’t stopped thinking about this video and them poor girls after watching it. Horrific

Fair enough @namechangemarch21 it was an extreme example, however the point I am trying to make is that it isn’t necessarily the case that gangs of disaffected youths from the badlands come out to the lovely seaside suburbs and cause ructions, which is a handy myth that any “affluent”- or just average- parent of a teen could fall prey to believing. Thinking their own kid could never be up to this kinds of stuff when they’re out, when they might very well be.

This is horrendous! It’s hard to believe such vile people exist. I hope his club have kicked him out. He doesn’t deserve a football career, no matter how talented he is.

The transport police were checking on all the carriages and I was very pleased.

Were they looking to deal with troublemakers or covid violations? I don't want to be too cynical but I'd expect it to be the latter.

The last time I was in a train station it was heavily policed. The transport police were checking on all the carriages and I was very pleased. Felt safer.

These scumbags have been terrorising people in Malahide for the last few weeks. I know several older people living in the area who are terrified to go into the town. It's disgusting.

Male violence, and women being harmed by male violence is not rare.
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Reducing your criteria for comparative violence to have to include being pushed under a train is insane.

It is far from very common, there is a reason it is international news. Because its not at all common

It’s only because their actions caused her to fall
under the train. If she had glanced off the side of the train (as they probably expected) it would have been just another day.

The footballer will not have his life ruined. There were obituaries all over the media for the 'legendary' Sun journalist John Kay the other day. The name rang a bell but it was only on Twitter where I discovered that he had actually strangled and drowned his wife to death in the 1970s. He kept his job.

I agree with posters saying that the purpose of the police should be to prevent crimes happening rather than solve them once the damage is done. I also think the idea that the criminal justice system is too harsh on these yobs is laughable. They say that for every time a person is convicted of a crime that person has actually committed 40 crimes. Criminals are often convicted several times before they receive a custodial sentence. Add in the fact that they are very unlikely to be arrested and charged in the first place, then you have the situation of males committing hundreds of crimes before they even get a whiff of jail and then they're almost always let out early once they've been put in there. There's very little disincentive for people whose parents have given them this mentality.

Oh and to spell it out.
I don't care about the pointless, wasteful use of public money , trying to rehabilitate this scum. No really. What would be good is if they stayed locked up until their life ended better still if that isn't a long time. There said it. With any luck they will end up in the train tracks and not get up.

Throwing missiles at passing cyclists/runners happens fairly frequently, but generally with the intent of being intimidating rather than injuring, though sometimes it escalates to robbery/trying to hurt people. Usually in their own areas, so people will 'know' to avoid them at certain times, cross the road if they see a gang of teenagers as they approach.

The specific incident of lashing out at women in a confined space, and pushing someone in front of a train, is not common. Its obviously an escalation of behaviour that's allowed to go unchecked. But its really rare - I've never heard of someone being pushing in front of a train here like that before. So: its part of a pattern of male violence. But, its an escalation of violence that isn't usually specifically targeted towards women. The fact that when it was escalated they chose women, probably isn't surprising as they're much more vulnerable and less unpredictable in this situation. But that is essentially the background - these aren't gangs that hang around targeting young girls that have escalated. That doesn't in any way excuse the violence, or say it is not a problem of male violence, or pretend it was some kind of coincidence that when the violence it got worse it was aimed at women.

But it is the context.

Having grown up in Ireland I can say this is very common and was going on 40 years ago.

Nothing will happen to those boys.

At minimum, they need months to years in juvenile detention.

And because they are minors, their names are not publicly released (we know them from SM)

camaleon yes too right.
I don't care about your softly, softly unproductive pointless approach.
Don't lecture me about being poor and disadvantaged, I could show you example after example of abject poverty where the people do not behave like that.
Stop making pathetic excuses.
Get this too. I don't care vicariously dont.
Do I want to pussy foot around this scum or do I want heavy punishment and my children to be safe?
Let me pause for a millisecond, yep I'll take the second option thanks.
Once again, I have worked with this type of youth, the only thing which brought results was a hard zero tolerance. Children respect boundaries.
That is what is lacking.
Those girls should not have to face that at all.
Fuck the feelings of these poor little males.

I think we've reached a stage where we need to priortise recruiting huge numbers of public transport police/security to patrol all trains and tubes to a much greater extent than they do.

In England there are moves to remove guards from trains entirely and have drivers only. There were a series of railway strikes about it pre-covid. For the safety of all vulnerable people this needs to be resisted in the strongest terms.

I can't blame the guard for not getting involved - it was one person against a huge group. However, if train guards are unable to intervene, they should be calling the gardi (or police in UK) every single time they have to chuck people off the trains for violence, intimidation or harassment. All of those things are against the law. We should not have to wait until a girl is seriously injured before the law intervenes.

The situation here is gangs where violence is normalised. I don't think saying this particular issue is a class thing is denying it occurs in children from other backgrounds. I actually think there are hug issues with male violence and accountability in, say, private school attending rugby players. But the approach to tackle both needs to be different.

We need a societal shift in our approach to violence, consent, etc etc. But these boys need a specific approach because they are being socially excluded in a number of ways that reinforces and almost rewards the societal tendency towards violence. Its not about saying 'they're deprived and should be excused', the vast majority of people in these areas are not violent and are the ones most terrorised by them.

But no civilised society is going to lock up a 15 year old and throw away the key. So we need to start thinking a lot more seriously about earlier intervention and rehabilitation.

As if I wasn't angry enough...

www.lbc.co.uk/news/shocking-moment-girl-is-knocked-onto-train-tracks-by-gang-of-yobs/

A Garda spokesman said: "Gardai are investigating an incident of assault that occurred in Howth Junction Dart Station on 1st April, 2021, at approximately 9pm.

"A woman fell from the train platform during the incident and sustained injuries."

Fell?
Ok then.