Girl pushed under train.

The law has long since been on the side of wrongdoers

Nonsense. If that were the case, we wouldn't have so many laws criminalising undesirable behaviour.

If you mean lawyers, in criminal cases they should operate under the cab rank rule and take on all comers provided that they are available. They don't know whether the accused is guilty and are perfectly entitled to test the case against their client.

So far as civil claims are concerned, there is rather more latitude and lawyers can certainly refuse to take on claims that aren't viable, and I think that is likely to be the difficulty with this one. When people are in public places like railway platforms they must be aware the CCTV is on and that they will be filmed, and indeed I suspect that implied consent to filming is written into railway bylaws. As I understand it, this railway company didn't release the broadcast, so the parent would have to find out who did - which may not be easy - and would have to consider whether that individual actually has the means to satisfy any judgment. The individual concerned has an argument that publication of the film isn't necessarily a breach of any privacy rights - after all, there are videos all over YouTube and the TV of people wandering around the streets. There is also an argument that, if there is any claim, damages should be limited to what would be payable for having your image released - which would be minimal - on the basis that any vilification that this young man has attracted is caused solely by his own behaviour.

One limitation on the suggestion that lawyers will take on any interesting claim is that of funding. This is certainly not one that is likely to attract a now-win no-fee arrangement, because the lawyer needs to be able to discern at least a reasonable prospect of winning. Legal Aid isn't available, and I can't seriously see something like crowdfunding getting off the ground.

I know, it wasnt an attack on you, but that is the rationale for draining public services in these cases. There's always a rationale. That's the fake beaty of the law. I dont know what the answer is.

[quote Selkie1961]@brandinedelroy i see, that is how lawyers justify taking large sums of money out of public service purses. To suggest that the girls can rectify that wrong by suing the boys! But they shouldnt have to endure that stress and also, irish rail would still be left short and their customers would pay for that.[/quote]
I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm an employee of and represent a government entity in my country. I'd be among those defending against this kind of suit for the taxpayer. I'm just throwing out some ideas for those who might be lurking.

@brandinedelroy i see, that is how lawyers justify taking large sums of money out of public service purses. To suggest that the girls can rectify that wrong by suing the boys! But they shouldnt have to endure that stress and also, irish rail would still be left short and their customers would pay for that.

But what I will never understand is - if some little ratbag did this to her, her mum or sister or daughter, she’d be cool? Yeah right ...

Well, I think looking at the mother’s reaction it’s no fucking surprise her son has turned out the way he has.

Lawyers will take any case they consider interesting. The safety of passengers is not their motivator, and if irish rail had to pay out millions and fares went up, they would not feel that they had colluded in anything toxic. Lawyers solicitorsvand barristers think that there is nothing more beautiful ofmr fascinating than the law. Its like one big poem to mull over.

Wow, she is doing that because she is ashamed of her son. I would keep my head down if i were her. I have a 15 year old son ans i know you cant tell a 15 year old boy a foot taller 2hat to do. So i would not hold amother responsible for what her son does. But i am shaking my head in disbelief at her suing irish rail!

Given this was not one isolated incident of gangs harassing other passengers I'd argue the subject under review shouldn't be how this film clip was "leaked", but rather why such incidents are not routinely released on social media by Irish Rail and the Police to bring the perpetrators to justice.

I had discovered my ds had done that, he wouldn’t be able to sit down for a week! I would not dare consider suing the train station

The mother of one of the attackers is considering suing Irish Rail because of the CCTV leak

I'd love to see her try. If she even managed to find a lawyer to support the case, I suspect she'd be laughed out of court.

"showed a number of young women running to the Dart, past a group of male youths who kicked, lunged and swung their bikes at them, before one chilling moment when a girl slipped and fell under the train."

One chilling moment??!! ONE?! And it wasn't chilling that she "slipped". She didn't slip! There were several chilling moments of thugs lashing out at young women, and then one further chilling moment where one girl was shoved under a train by a boy using his bike as a weapon.

Some of the boys seemed a bit shocked or surprised (not in any way remorseful or concerned though), but the one who shoved her under the bus looked like it was totally standard that he'd just pushed someone under a train. Didn't even flinch. Bastard.

And that mother needs to sort her priorities. If she's concerned that his life has been ruined by being identified in this video, she should be more concerned about his life being ruined because he's a fucking idiot. That's going to be worse for him in the long run.

They can't say anything that would prejudice legal proceedings.

Also it probably is a data breach that the CCTV has been shared so she might have a point about that. Doesn't mean they haven't done wrong but they're only kids themselves. Law needs to apply fairly to everyone.

How would you have the brass neck to cry 'no fair' over this?

The mother of one of the attackers is considering suing Irish Rail because of the CCTV leak:

www.independent.ie/irish-news/motherof-dart-attack-suspect-threatens-to-sue-irish-rail-over-cctv-footage-leak-40433558.html

I note this report is also describing the incident as the girl slipping under the train - I haven’t come across any Irish media describing properly what was actually done to the girl

I don't think that that necessarily means they won't be charged - it's clear the police are still investigating.

This makes me so angry. He'd be picking up his teeth if he tried that on me. 😡

just saw this...

I feel sick for those girls ..

Im glad to see they have been identified and being investigated.

I’m very confused; the Gardaí have actual CCTV of the boys harassing, and physically hurting those girls, so why can’t they be charged with committing an offence?!

www.thejournal.ie/three-teens-arrested-howth-junction-dart-video-5436123-May2021/?utm_source=twitter_short

No charges brought against them!