New School Guidance from Sex Matters and TransgenderTrend

@RobinMoiraWhite If you think you know the law better than they do, or think this guidance will lead people to breaking the law, please contact their team immediately. I'm sure they'd be grateful for the guidance.

concludes:
"If the objective of the book was to increase understanding of the law in this area, it must be judged an abject failure. Even a reader with little prior knowledge will be struck by the regularity with which the authors simply give up on the task of analysis... In some of these cases, there is genuine reason for uncertainty; in others, the law is clear enough, and the uncertainty imaginary. In both cases, readers looking for assistance will be disappointed by the authors’ repeated unwillingness even to attempt to provide it. If a pair of guides on a difficult mountain path were as consistently flummoxed as the authors of this book, their clients would be saying their prayers. In truth, there is little of either guidance or practical utility in White and Newbegin’s “practical guide”."

legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/09/02/a-practical-guide/

[quote TheFleegleHasLanded]Have we still had no response to the assertion that the TT/Sex Matters advice is legally incorrect? Strange that....

www.legalfutures.co.uk/latest-news/reflect-on-your-ethics-says-one-barrister-to-another-after-twitter-exchange[/quote]
Thanks for sharing this. Very enlightening indeed.

Have we still had no response to the assertion that the TT/Sex Matters advice is legally incorrect? Strange that....

www.legalfutures.co.uk/latest-news/reflect-on-your-ethics-says-one-barrister-to-another-after-twitter-exchange

[quote soberodent]@OvaHere wow dude let me go ask my endocrinologist, multiple therapists and various other medical professionals im in contact with if science validates transgender people real quick. i cant tell u their answer for sure but spoiler alert i dont think its very sympathetic to your position tbh[/quote]
Here's the endocrine societies recent ststement (not very validating I'm afraid) Rather it clarifying the extremely robust science that underpins the sex binary.

academic.oup.com/edrv/advance-article/doi/10.1210/endrev/bnaa034/6159361#.YG386Eqj1v4.twitter

I don’t perform “normal femininity” but I'm female. Which box do I belong in?

soberodent

which is very much transgender children as well as girls

So transgender children and girls are separate groups of people? Your transphobia is showing.

HecatesCatsInFancyHats, most of the words are English, but they don't really make any sense.

I would love some sort of clue as to what in the seven hells "performs normal femininity" is supposed to convey; being female isn't a performance, it's simply a fact of life.

the difference is when a cisgender woman performs "normal" femininity, transphobes like yourself have virtually no problem with it most of the time. however, whenever a transgender woman performs "normal" femininity

I'm sorry, what?

Pinnipeds in the server, I expect, Asking.

Hoo boy, Mumsnet is playing up this afternoon! So many duplicate posts and ups and downs like a yo-yo.

@soberodent

So what, exactly, is 'normal femininity' in your opinion?

Leaving aside clothing/hair/makeup as these are matters of fashion. Take a look at pictures of aristocratic men in the 17th/18th century to see males wearing velvet jackets in bright colours, lacey shirts, high heeled shoes covered with pink silk, long curly wigs. Today a lot of clothing is unisex - indeed in my local Mountain Warehouse shop there's a picture of a family of 4 where mum, dad, son and daughter are all dressed in identical clothing - but clearly there are fashions for how men and women should dress/present that change through time.

So what, apart from this, is femininity? What are the behavioural characteristics, personality, interests, ways of seeing the world that characterise it, and which are different from masculinity?

So, apart from

Depends how you define sex, of course. If it is something that depends on how the individual feels, then it can alter from day to day. If it is something which is based on embryonic development and DNA, it does seem to be pretty-much immutable.

What's 'normal femininity', soberodent?

believe all children should be safeguarded, especially those in need, which is very much transgender children as well as girls^

Great. Then this guidance supports both you'll be glad to hear.

Btw, I'm not your bro, so stop misgendering me.
And quit the name calling too. Concerns about safeguarding is not transpohobic. No matter how you want to frame it to suit your own narrative.

Hope this helps ☺️

believe all children should be safeguarded, especially those in need, which is very much transgender children as well as girls^

Great. Then this guidance supports both you'll be glad to hear.

Btw, I'm not your bro, so stop misgendering me.
And quit the name calling too. Concerns about safeguarding is not transpohobic. No matter how you want to frame it to suit your own narrative.

Hope this helps ☺️

feminism must remain trans-inclusive as much as campaigning for transgender rights must remain feminist

I'll stick with centring women and girls, for all your 'musts'. Very tired indeed of natal men explaining to actual women how to feminist properly.

feminism must remain trans-inclusive as much as campaigning for transgender rights must remain feminist
I'm getting very tired indeed of natal men explaining to actual women how we should be feministing.

Depends how you define sex, of course. If it is something that depends on how the individual feels, then it can alter from day to day. If it is something which is based on embryonic development and DNA, it does seem to be pretty-much immutable.

wow dude let me go ask my endocrinologist, multiple therapists and various other medical professionals im in contact with if science validates transgender people real quick. i cant tell u their answer for sure but spoiler alert i dont think its very sympathetic to your position tbh

Did you just misgender the pp ,😲

There's only two sexes. Regardless of what changes one makes to their bodies, there still are only two sexes. And as children cannot transition medically, then that position becomes even clearer. No matter what someones gender is. Sex isn't the same thing as gender. But sure, go ask your endocrinologist ☺️