Degendered underwear - or just gendered underwear for those not same sex/gender 🤔

I've never liked shorts-type pants either. My thighs are not overly chunky but the material rides up into the natural crease at the top of my thigh. I'd rather my knickers crack creep than thigh bunch.

The final nail that made me gave up was finding I had to gather the material up when trying to get a washable pad's poppers to join.

I started sizing up with knickers after I got a few pairs suffering elastic roll. Buying cotton with lycra helps keep a close fit to stop any unwanted riding up along with the sizing up to stop the elastic rolling.

I have several pairs of M&S knickers from a decade ago that could have been made for me. I've since bought the 'same' packs but found the gusset cut too slim to fit pads and the elastic coming unstitched in several pairs. On a day that I can't cope with any disappointments in the knicker department I pull out an old pair.

M&S is really starting to piss me off. They need to start reading their customers' reviews and acting on them. I've bought online only over the last year but won't try on in store any more. It'll cost them more opening their changing rooms to men in the long run as I'm not the only woman reluctant to try in store with their new policies.

But that's another story.

They're confused. Either they are only appealing to people who don't want to conform to binary genders and have a particular body shape or they don't really get that non gendered clothes would need to be sexed too. So non gendered shirts for female size d boobs and for male or flat chested females. So several variations of the same design for different body shapes reflecting sexes.

They state that their bralettes are only for people up to size C. So it's pretty niche.

I don't mind what they do, it's their business but their mission of non gendered clothes for all only works if it is also sexed.

The thing is men get a choice. They have a whole range of underpants from briefs to figure hugging shorts with 2-3 inch inseams to baggy boxers and everything in between. Women's options do not include inseams unless they are some form of Spanx. We do get thongs though.

they might as well call them transpants

Quite a snappy name, it might catch on. Otherwise the concept is as bonkers as just about everything else to do with this fad.

I don’t want or need non-gendered clothing. I need clothing that fits my female body, that goes over my breasts and hips and doesn’t bag at the waist, and isn’t too long in the arms and legs.

Bog standard M&S cotton pants do me fine, although I have stopped shopping there since the whole changing room thing. Have also made my own but sewing elastic is super fiddly.

To be fair paxman was moaning about the quality of men’s pants too

They suit me down to the ground though. We’re all different.

I have no problem recognising when I'm suffering from internalised misogyny. I am in fact like other girls, I love the company of women. Turns out I actually do find pink, in almost all it's shades, to be a very pleasing colour even if I don't want everything made for little girls to be that colour. My favourite 'job'/most fulfilling career is being a stay at home mother. I really enjoy knitting and crocheting. All things that 'feminist' teen me would have said the opposite of. But the standard offering of women's knickers are not remotely suitable for my needs.

Women's cotton underwear always cuts across your bum instead of fully covering it and finishing on the thigh. Even women's 'shorts style knickers cut off about 2/3s down the bum. This means they move about and you get wedgies

Sounds as if you are buying it too small. There are loads of big, full covering, cotton knickers around but then you (general you) seem to so much enjoy whinging about how awful everything designed for women is.

However, obviously different people have their own preferences but women's underwear is rarely comfortable for heavy activity.

I've got a pad on with my shorts right now. They work just fine. It's a reusable bamboo pad with "wings" that clip together underneath.

Personally I don’t like wearing shorts or having material on my upper thigh. I also find it inconvenient when I’m menstruating as I always wear a pad which wraps around (disposable or reusable) and you can’t wear those with shorts. I also like having my stomach covered and hate having a band cutting across my hips or lower belly, so my happy place is cotton granny knickers (full briefs) from supermarkets. We’re all different, I suppose.

I for one have no desire to have a chunk of my underwear repeatedly gravitate into my bum cheeks, so I very much want my underwear to come down well over my thighs in a firm seam. I have no desire to be reshaped. And I like cotton so I don't end up with a manky, sweaty gusset because I'm extremely sporty. I have never found women's underwear that do all of that. Mens underwear does. I'd prefer the nice, comfy, practical pants to be made for a woman's shape but even if they are not, they are still more comfortable than anything that is currently on offer for women. If you know of some practical women's cotton undershorts that provide full coverage to the upper thigh, let me know where they are. I'd prefer them and would be delighted if they existed.

Girls wearing boxers was a teen thing in the 80s, particularly the patterned ones with snoopy or love hearts etc. Same with wearing 501s - they weren't really cut for us but we wore them anyway.

Ds1 and Dh both wear jersey briefs and they look really comfy. Love a pant with a bit of give and cover in it.

We have ‘unisex’ scrubs to wear at work. But they’re not. They’re designed for men and I found them really uncomfortable to wear especially the trousers.

I work 8am-8pm and need to be comfortable. So I ended up buying my own scrubs to wear.

I thought it was going to be about Oddballs who sell underpants that are the same for both men and women. They look really comfy

They sell underwear in the same patterns for men and women- not the same style. The men's versions clearly have extra material for male genitals.

Why are girls' pants "stupid"?

Seriously- why is the need for this doing down of everything made for women or girls? As I said goodness knows where some of you shop that everything made for men is so much better?

I thought it was going to be about Oddballs who sell underpants that are the same for both men and women. They look really comfy.

I’ve also seen gender neutral shirts. They have 4 styles and you buy the style that suits your body shape. I really like that idea.
but there was a poster on the Facebook add who said that they should be cheaper as non binary people earn less

I'm sick of buying women's pants and the elastic not lasting very long

I don't know where some of you shop that you have so much trouble finding clothes. I've got pure cotton, big knickers from Sainsbury's and Asda some of which I remember, for a particular reason, buying are coming up 6 years old.

Can I ask if the men's underwear bulges at the front or lies flat?

I'm sick of buying women's pants and the elastic not lasting very long.

I don't think my boobs, hips, waist and bum would look good in these all gender clothes but I would be happy for both men and women to experiment with styles.