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Feeling despondent.

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WomaninBoots · 07/05/2021 17:20

Watching the results map of Scotland start to turn yellow.

Sad

Anyone else want to sit in a corner and cry with me?

I didn't really expect anything else though and I've no idea what colour I would actually want it to turn! But every bit of yellow seems to say "women don't matter".

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thinkingaboutLangCleg · 10/05/2021 08:35

Sending sympathy across the border, having watched Johnson and his cronies rewarded for presiding over one of the worst responses to a pandemic in the developed world. And at the same time, I feel sick at not wanting a Labour/Green government that would be worse for women.

SolitaryBee, don’t give up. We’ve seen crazes come and go in our lifetime. Feminism, including Women’s Liberation, has made real and lasting gains because it is a genuinely progressive movement. Look how few rights women had in the 19th century.

WomaninBoots · 09/05/2021 08:02

Ugh ugh ugh ugh.

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WomaninBoots · 08/05/2021 07:40

Exactly. I'm so frustrated that we get all this rubbish that is obviously detrimental to women and free speech and science and reality... when there is, you know, actually concrete issues that affect real lives to sort out and focus on. It feels like everyone in the room slipped into an alternate reality when I was distracted by the buffet table or something.

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Iamhangingin · 08/05/2021 07:10

I was watching the results coming in yesterday but I don't know if I can cope watching it today! I just feel totally flat. I know there is amazing work going on by women across Scotland to protect our rights, but I'm so angry this is even needs to be done and that we could be concentrating our energies on other issues like education, job opportunities, reducing Scotland's debt, improving productivity, bringing people out of poverty.... It's like this huge misdirection, how much time was taken up debating the hate crime bill? On balance was this a great use of resources?

NonnyMouse1337 · 08/05/2021 05:05

this ideology won't be dismantled with a wave of a wand by votes at an election. It'll be hard work and behind-the-scenes legal processes that change things, the way they have always underpinned change within this movement. Sunlight is seeping through, and with For Women Scotland and MBM doing incredible work, there can only be more sunlight in the future.

Absolutely. We've come a long way thanks to the efforts of many women to expose a lot of what's being going on behind the scenes.

Another thing that works really well is simply talking to people. That's been hard to do during lockdown and people have been understandably preoccupied with the pandemic, Brexit etc. That's going to change though.

Some of the GC women I know have had fairly productive chats with mums in parks recently etc.
Start brushing up on your skill to strike up a conversation with strangers. It's going to be needed. Smile

EachDubh · 08/05/2021 01:25

I am gutted, I thought there would be more spoiled papers, instead the greens have increased their vote. It certainly feels like Scotland is not a place for people who believe in science. I also hated the awful snp election nonsense, free bikes, computers, more money etc etc. I aleays supported the SNP now nowhere comes close to what matters to me.

ArabellaScott · 07/05/2021 23:42

I can't say "oh crap not the SNP everywhere" in any of my other Internet spaces without starting an independence vs unionist war

Oh, they are loud.

WomaninBoots · 07/05/2021 23:13

I'm glad there's reasons to be hopeful and the election results don't necessarily reflect the situation on the ground.

I just needed somewhere to express my disappointment that there wasn't some huge protest change of voting pattern like I was secretly hoping for. Wink

I can't say "oh crap not the SNP everywhere" in any of my other Internet spaces without starting an independence vs unionist war. Shock

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MissBarbary · 07/05/2021 22:19

@BlackForestCake

Almost hoping for the SNP to get a majority so at least they're not dependent on the fucking Greens
No. The SNP getting an outright majority is the worst possible outcome.
MissBarbary · 07/05/2021 22:17

My delight that Alba looks as if it will be a damp squib is countered by the horror the Greens holding the balance of power.

CatherinaJTV · 07/05/2021 22:04

looks like the most likely outcome now Smile

ArabellaScott · 07/05/2021 21:11

@BlackForestCake

Almost hoping for the SNP to get a majority so at least they're not dependent on the fucking Greens
Oh, god, that aspect hadn't occurred to me.
theskyispink · 07/05/2021 21:05

This election was always going to be a dud - a big win for the SNP has aye been on the cards.

Alba is so new and has already been monstered by the mainstream media so I don't think they have a chance of getting in anywhere. But hopefully they stick around and gain momentum over the next few years to become a credible pro-indy opposition party, because it is badly needed.

As @BlackForestCake says, will the SNP require the wokebeards in the Greens to play kingmaker? That's the big question for this election. Agreed also about how rapidly the carpetbaggers swarmed and swelled the SNP ranks -- but perhaps part of it is due to the nature of us being a smaller country?

Interesting to see the remarks from Khalid Mahmood, not shying from the real reasons behind Labour's downward spiral. An astute comment that the newcomers have more in common with Californian high society -- but I suppose that's what you get after raising a generation online to be nurtured by Silicone Valley.

Easier though it would be, this ideology won't be dismantled with a wave of a wand by votes at an election. It'll be hard work and behind-the-scenes legal processes that change things, the way they have always underpinned change within this movement. Sunlight is seeping through, and with For Women Scotland and MBM doing incredible work, there can only be more sunlight in the future.

BlackForestCake · 07/05/2021 20:15

Almost hoping for the SNP to get a majority so at least they're not dependent on the fucking Greens

TooMuch21 · 07/05/2021 19:09

Here's our local council she/her:policylab.org.uk/profile/tanya-jayne-park

QuentinBunbury · 07/05/2021 19:07

Just seen this on the BBC

Feeling despondent.
BlackForestCake · 07/05/2021 19:03

I can agree with that. Labour collapsed because it was in power so long that it attracted all the carpetbaggers, time-servers and yes-men, and everybody knew it. It's only taken 10 years for the carpetbaggers to take over the SNP too.

Talking of carpetbaggers, Angus Robertson has won the seat the party gerrymandered him into.

QuentinBunbury · 07/05/2021 19:03

I'm despondent about the Conservative performance South of the border. Seems lying, philandering,corruption and sleaze don't matter any more. As well as policies that do nothing for the most disadvantaged. I hate them and what they've done to Britain, seems I am very much in the minority though

ArabellaScott · 07/05/2021 18:56

The trouble in Scotland is that we have no credible opposition.

ArabellaScott · 07/05/2021 18:54

Yep, I'm worried about independence and the SNPs rule for far more reasons than women's rights.

WomaninBoots · 07/05/2021 18:42

My concern definitely runs deeper than the GC stuff to be realy honest. I'm not a fan of authoritarianism either. Or any flavour of nationalism. Or whatever the stunt with the "ring fenced" cash was.

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MissBarbary · 07/05/2021 18:40

@BlackForestCake

The worst bit is watching smug white bearded men gloating about it
No watching Sturgeon gloating is worse.
MissBarbary · 07/05/2021 18:38

@WomaninBoots

Watching the results map of Scotland start to turn yellow. Sad

Anyone else want to sit in a corner and cry with me?

I didn't really expect anything else though and I've no idea what colour I would actually want it to turn! But every bit of yellow seems to say "women don't matter".

I'm very despondent but not for the same reason as you. The "gender critical" stuff has no bearing on my vote.
AliceToo · 07/05/2021 18:27

I think what you just quoted is Drag.

Not transexualism.

stonecat · 07/05/2021 18:06

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